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Re: Late odds changes in Dwyer (1031 Views)
Posted by: Fairmount1 (IP Logged)
Date: July 08, 2018 05:18PM

Thanks for the efforts on all fronts by Rez and Frank.

I had zero dollars invested in the race. Setting aside the issue of my suspicions with this trainer and his magical abilities lately, my concern was and is also with the betting. Can I bet 100k in the final minute? If I was on track, I doubt they could spit out enough tickets in that time if I had the cash on me to slide through the window. Where did the bet come from? Was it one bet and was it electronic as I suspect? It is interesting to me what would be considered public versus non-public information in this arena. How far has anyone pushed this under open records request laws for betting information? Often in open records requests, info such as account numbers or identities are redacted if protected by law but the public information is still provided. I'm sure someone by 2018 has chased this a certain distance already. NYRA bets surely has a rebate system? And the rebates associated with any of the government connected entities would be terrific information to see month by month and year by year. Or what about the information connected to other ADW's, rebates, amounts bet, etc? Maybe the identities would be protected (maybe not necessarily) but the amounts and other pertinent information that is public would lead to more clues about these type situations. Transparency and integrity have not been racing's strong suits. I can't even begin to explain last night's scenario at Fairmount Park (check the charts of last night's 6th and 7th races and the (lack of) payoffs for a purse only puzzle that the stewards wouldn't even answer to me face to face after racing last night beyond a blanket answer of "program issues").

Regardless and back on topic, the late wager(s) on this particular race does not seem like gambling but rather a theft of everyone else's money in the race (or obviously a certain percentage of it).

The media of racing needs to complete some serious journalism here and find some answers since I likely know NYRA's response already. Hearing softballs about people are complaining and don't think it is right is not what we are looking for but rather more transparency about who, when, where, how are the questions that need to be answered. Hey Kasept, when you have Servis on to celebrate his great training job, ask him if he knows or has any idea who made the large late wager? Ask him if he wagered on the race or anyone close to him? Can you ask him how all of his horses have improved beyond belief in the last month plus? Aren't these fair questions? Anyone else on here have questions of Servis they want answered? Post them here and let's see if Steve will ask him.

As for the separate medication issues, clean up the game already and let's see OOC testing, cameras in every stall, and no drugs on race day. Then you will see who can really train a horse. I've said this before and while tilting at windmills I say it here again. Clean up the game and make the rules uniform already.

Keep us updated if you learn or hear more.



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