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Re: Class of 2017 (900 Views)
Posted by: Fairmount1 (IP Logged)
Date: August 13, 2018 08:05PM

A couple of interesting questions. Rich, I'm sure you know the answer to your question but I'm happy to oblige.

At Del Mar since the start of the 2017 Summer meet, Baffert's total record in graded stakes races is: [b]32-1-11-5[/b] I believe. I've double checked it several times and believe it is accurate but excuse me if the P/S numbers aren't perfect as it is difficult to gather this data the way I do it.

As for Baffert's win with Collected and SC's tongue in cheek question. At that time, BB was 0 for 7 in graded stakes to start the 2017 Summer meet I believe. Not too many people had probably picked up on it just yet.

Now, to take a bigger look and comparison to his NY graded stakes success, Baffert is [b]24-12-4-2[/b] during the last two years in graded stakes in NY. That's a 50 percent win percentage at the most competitive graded stakes circuit in the country (I think most would agree with this assertion about the NYRA circuit).

A few of these horses have run in New York AND Del Mar. They include Abel Tasman, Arrogate, Hoppertunity, Drefong, and Mor Spirit among some others like West Coast.

[b]Abel Tasman[/b] in Baffert's care is 8-4-3-0 after leaving Callaghan's barn. In New York, she is 3 for 3. Her lone Del Mar start for BB, 2nd.
[b]Arrogate[/b] at Saratoga won by 13 1/2 lengths breaking the track record for 1 1/4 miles. 4th at Del Mar, 2nd at Del Mar, 5th at Del Mar BC.
[b]Hoppertunity[/b] in NY 2 wins and a 4th. At Del Mar since the summer of 17 meet started, one start at this meet and finished 2nd nearly 5 lengths behind the winner at 3-5.
[b]Drefong[/b] in NY, 2 for 2 in G1 races with a combined winning margin of 9 lengths. The two starts at Del Mar during the time period I mention he finished 6th at 1.40-1 and 9th after dropping the jockey at odds of 1.80-1.
[b]Mor Spirit[/b] in NY, 1 for 1 with a G1 win by 6 plus. His lone start at Del Mar, 8th by 14 as the favorite.

Same horses at Saratoga/Belmont versus Del Mar with VERY different results. One all the way across the country for him and the other a few hours south of his SA home base and he has stalls the entire time during the Del Mar meeting.

The winning margins of the horses for the 12 winning graded stakes races in NY are: 7 1/2, 2 1/4, 1 3/4, 3 3/4, 1, 3 1/4, 6 1/4, 4, 3 1/4, 3 1/4, 13 1/2, head. Convincing wins.

The margin for the 11 2nd place finishers at Del Mar in graded stakes behind the winner are: 3/4, neck, 1/2, 4 1/2, 2 1/4, 4 3/4, 3 1/4, 1 1/2, 2 1/2, 6 3/4, 1/2. Just didn't have the finishing punch the horses in NY have....some of the VERY same horses.

I know JB would use a figure comparison to make these comparisons and that is fine and likely more detailed. But the win percentage is so glaring including the margins it seems obvious that NY is more favorable to his "program" than Del Mar is when it comes to winning graded stakes. As I've said, this year's BC will be very interesting since it is at CD but the rule is still in place re: the 6 month withdrawal period.



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