CAW's and "Special Deals" (2370 Views)
Posted by: Fairmount1 (IP Logged)
Date: August 22, 2025 10:51PM

Marshall Gramm's recent Bet with the Best Pod with Chris has drawn much interest. Let me focus on some words from Gramm in part 2 around 40 minutes in for a moment. It is difficult to transcribe exact but here we go with a close attempt:

"I believe the teams themselves are cutting deals with non-Stronach and [tracks] . . .so NYRA and Stronach own Elite. All Elite is is an ADW."

. . .

"We do know, we strongly believe the teams have cut deals with other race tracks, so, we hear through the grapevine that it exists, with some of the smaller tracks the teams will cut deals and you can see the dramatic difference in late cycle movements. The most recent ones have been, at, again I don't have any evidence of deals that have been cut, but you see sort of dramatic difference in late cycle movements at Fairmount Park slash Fanduel."

"Whereas last year it was about a third of the money that came in the last cycle. This year it's about two thirds of the money. So definitely things are going on there. I don't know of anything. I've never heard anything official. I've heard whisperings."

"But you can see evidence of it. And I've heard at least rumors of other tracks that in the past that cut special deals."

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Now I have been asked to not publicize things I know and have learned. But when others are starting to highlight things that are known behind the scenes I have no problem bringing it out. And others know more than I do, are being careful but it is becoming more known, in part, how all of this operates.

This being said, I've proposed someone should pursue a lawsuit against tracks as it relates to CAW's. In the past, the old guard lawyers in these parts come in ranting about you are alleging fraud and can't allege with specificity to get past a motion to dismiss. WRONG. I'm saying why not the Sherman AntiTrust Act which outlaws contracts, conspiracies or actions that unreasonably restrain trade or lead to monopolization. And how about the consumer protection laws in the 40 or so states where ADW's operate that are centered in part on deception? Are we seeing why there is no transparency on the amounts and what really goes on here with the agreements? The definition of parimuteul wagering surely isn't accurate in at least one state. Churchill is out here making some crazy arguments and getting success (See Michigan). A creative lawyer with too much time on his/her hands, probably a young one who isn't a dyed in the wool lawyer born into the trade, could figure out a way to take the tracks and the CAW's down in at least some fashion.

I'm not being a conspiracy theorist here. I haven't even commented on what I know about potential Past Posting that's been shared with me in the very, very recent past as I was asked to not publicize details of that also. So, for now, let's just focus in on the Special Deals.

I will lastly note that the 2 minute rule at Del mar and 3 minute rule for the win pool at NYRA result in folks like Marshall saying they are Not in the pool. Well, if they aren't in the pool at all, why would that be true? Their sophisticated models can't do as well without the last 2 minutes? Or. . . ? I'll leave that for you to ponder. Again, I'm Being careful here but it is high time that someone go after the tracks and the CAW's.

Is anyone out there listening with an open mind? Get after it.

I'll give one special hint. Maybe call up Roberts Communications and I'll stop right there for now.



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