Re: So, bye-bye, Miss American Pie Drove my Pony to the levee, but the levee was dry (150 Views)
Posted by: Silver Charm (IP Logged)
Date: February 02, 2026 01:04PM
Neither one of those two Winners earned enough points with those respective wins alone to qualify for the Derby or Oaks. The Holy Bull winner got 20 points and threshold has been right about there but a tad higher. 25 points +.
So they both would need to do something like hit the board in their next starts. Certainly looks like a reasonable ask and both Trainers are far smarter than me.
The Filly would be entering the Oaks with two races in 6 months. Only one career Route. Chad Brown had a debut winner the day after Pegasus and the discussion was he goes at Tampa next and then to the Derby. Two starts. Maiden at Gulfstream and Stakes at Tampa then the Derby. This is the 3YO Campaign norm.
Without sounding old school "or back in the day" why cant runners have campaigns like Forty Niner or Chiefs Crown did? They were both 2YO Champs and started with those Belmont 5F races in June and July. The both ran 2nd in the Derby and campaigned all the way until the end of the year as 3YO. Won the Travers. Then beat Older Horses. This was 40 years ago.
No one with these well managed well spaced campaigns are running any harder or better than they did. So what changed? The durability, soundness and stamina of the Breed has fallen hard. The horse players, the track operators, the jockeys and the Trainers have nothing to do with this. This is the product they/we have all been dealt. All of the Big Races have been shortened up and spaced apart to accommodate this. Re read my last three paragraphs then you will understand this is simply not attractive or sustainable for any industry over another segment of time of say 20 more years. I want people to get it together but I wont be losing any sleep and maybe nothing more than periodically some couch change over it. You don't buy Enron at the bottom....
So they both would need to do something like hit the board in their next starts. Certainly looks like a reasonable ask and both Trainers are far smarter than me.
The Filly would be entering the Oaks with two races in 6 months. Only one career Route. Chad Brown had a debut winner the day after Pegasus and the discussion was he goes at Tampa next and then to the Derby. Two starts. Maiden at Gulfstream and Stakes at Tampa then the Derby. This is the 3YO Campaign norm.
Without sounding old school "or back in the day" why cant runners have campaigns like Forty Niner or Chiefs Crown did? They were both 2YO Champs and started with those Belmont 5F races in June and July. The both ran 2nd in the Derby and campaigned all the way until the end of the year as 3YO. Won the Travers. Then beat Older Horses. This was 40 years ago.
No one with these well managed well spaced campaigns are running any harder or better than they did. So what changed? The durability, soundness and stamina of the Breed has fallen hard. The horse players, the track operators, the jockeys and the Trainers have nothing to do with this. This is the product they/we have all been dealt. All of the Big Races have been shortened up and spaced apart to accommodate this. Re read my last three paragraphs then you will understand this is simply not attractive or sustainable for any industry over another segment of time of say 20 more years. I want people to get it together but I wont be losing any sleep and maybe nothing more than periodically some couch change over it. You don't buy Enron at the bottom....
| Subject | Written By | Posted |
|---|---|---|
| Silver Charm | 02/01/2026 12:47PM | |
| ajkreider | 02/01/2026 05:30PM | |
| Roman | 02/01/2026 10:25PM | |
| Silver Charm | 02/02/2026 01:04PM | |
| Roman | 02/02/2026 01:55PM | |
| kencbs | 02/03/2026 03:53AM | |
| Silver Charm | 02/03/2026 09:28PM |
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