Re: Gramm (299 Views)
Posted by: Fairmount1 (IP Logged)
Date: August 17, 2026 08:18PM
The Circling of the Wagons has started. More on that in a moment.
A very close friend called and explained as an owner the level of access for different folks in the industry. There are different levels of access depending on your status as an owner, trainer, racing official, or let's say a Jockey Club member.
Some friends have astutely asked me and others have posed all over X why the information is not already accessible as public information. This is a terrific question but it is a red herring even being used by Gramm himself to distract from the real issue with Gramm himself. It may be true that horse racing information re: medications or treatment should be public knowledge. However, in its current state in the U.S., this is NOT public information for public consumption. Claiming races would be one of many reasons why this information is meant to be secretive to a certain degree.
Gramm's close pals are now gearing up for the defense. My father was no attorney; just a dumb old construction worker he would say. When he was alive, he always said in these situations the best defense is a great offense. Go after the other side. And if you pay attention this is accurate more times than not in these situations. And that's where the Wagon Circlers are headed pointing at HISA for their technological deficiencies and that he did nothing wrong b/c owners all have same access. I am told that is not true from my owner friends. And the Gramm Backers are pointing to the idea that such horse health information should be for public consumption.
Gramm likely used information only he had access to in his parimutuel wagering, his contest play, his claiming or not claiming of horses. He made Vet PP's as I understand it and they were SHARED to others since they were shown publically on X by others. If that's true, and we all know who they were shared with likely (hahaha these guys just can't avoid scandal), then he *should* be facing serious, serious consequences for his actions. Now, I believe his status as the son of a former Senator probably will grant him some quiet quasi-immunity that most all of us would never understand or comprehend. HISA has charged him with FRAUD. One key aspect that needs to be pointed out in this limited space as I understand is that he allegedly had an "AUTOMATED METHOD OF OBTAINING THE CONFIDENTIAL HORSE HEALTH INFORMATION AT A SCALE IN A MANNER DESIGNED TO MIMIC AUTHORIZED ACTIVITY TO AVOID DETECTION BY HISA'S SECURITY SYSTEMS."
When all the folks circling the wagons start to point to HISA, recall that last sentence. This isn't about HISA's system. This isn't about the debate if such information should be public. This is not about if Marshall is a "good guy" and that all his pals are all starting to formulate their attack on HISA, create red herrings, and take their stand. This is about what he did surreptitiously and how he likely used it. How many owners, trainers, racing security folks do you know that were using an automated method to obtain the HISA information and attempt to avoid detection? Why would a Jockey Club Member need to avoid detection if he was accessing it legitimately? More such questions arise as you start to really consider these issues.
The bottom line is he CHEATED anyone who he bet against, claimed or didn't claim against, and violated the trust of the entire industry as a Jockey Club member if he used the information he obtained in those manners. Given he shared this information as evidenced by his Vet PP's, it would be a safe bet for one to believe that happened. Good guy or not, don't buy into the arguments that this is HISA's fault. And it might be worth wondering if the folks coming out in his circle benefitted from this info or if he shared such info with them.
Good Luck to his crew as they try to change the discourse away from his actions. On to waiting for the next scandal to come out in 3...2....1....
Edited 3 time(s). Last edit at 08/17/2026 10:11PM by Fairmount1.
A very close friend called and explained as an owner the level of access for different folks in the industry. There are different levels of access depending on your status as an owner, trainer, racing official, or let's say a Jockey Club member.
Some friends have astutely asked me and others have posed all over X why the information is not already accessible as public information. This is a terrific question but it is a red herring even being used by Gramm himself to distract from the real issue with Gramm himself. It may be true that horse racing information re: medications or treatment should be public knowledge. However, in its current state in the U.S., this is NOT public information for public consumption. Claiming races would be one of many reasons why this information is meant to be secretive to a certain degree.
Gramm's close pals are now gearing up for the defense. My father was no attorney; just a dumb old construction worker he would say. When he was alive, he always said in these situations the best defense is a great offense. Go after the other side. And if you pay attention this is accurate more times than not in these situations. And that's where the Wagon Circlers are headed pointing at HISA for their technological deficiencies and that he did nothing wrong b/c owners all have same access. I am told that is not true from my owner friends. And the Gramm Backers are pointing to the idea that such horse health information should be for public consumption.
Gramm likely used information only he had access to in his parimutuel wagering, his contest play, his claiming or not claiming of horses. He made Vet PP's as I understand it and they were SHARED to others since they were shown publically on X by others. If that's true, and we all know who they were shared with likely (hahaha these guys just can't avoid scandal), then he *should* be facing serious, serious consequences for his actions. Now, I believe his status as the son of a former Senator probably will grant him some quiet quasi-immunity that most all of us would never understand or comprehend. HISA has charged him with FRAUD. One key aspect that needs to be pointed out in this limited space as I understand is that he allegedly had an "AUTOMATED METHOD OF OBTAINING THE CONFIDENTIAL HORSE HEALTH INFORMATION AT A SCALE IN A MANNER DESIGNED TO MIMIC AUTHORIZED ACTIVITY TO AVOID DETECTION BY HISA'S SECURITY SYSTEMS."
When all the folks circling the wagons start to point to HISA, recall that last sentence. This isn't about HISA's system. This isn't about the debate if such information should be public. This is not about if Marshall is a "good guy" and that all his pals are all starting to formulate their attack on HISA, create red herrings, and take their stand. This is about what he did surreptitiously and how he likely used it. How many owners, trainers, racing security folks do you know that were using an automated method to obtain the HISA information and attempt to avoid detection? Why would a Jockey Club Member need to avoid detection if he was accessing it legitimately? More such questions arise as you start to really consider these issues.
The bottom line is he CHEATED anyone who he bet against, claimed or didn't claim against, and violated the trust of the entire industry as a Jockey Club member if he used the information he obtained in those manners. Given he shared this information as evidenced by his Vet PP's, it would be a safe bet for one to believe that happened. Good guy or not, don't buy into the arguments that this is HISA's fault. And it might be worth wondering if the folks coming out in his circle benefitted from this info or if he shared such info with them.
Good Luck to his crew as they try to change the discourse away from his actions. On to waiting for the next scandal to come out in 3...2....1....
Edited 3 time(s). Last edit at 08/17/2026 10:11PM by Fairmount1.
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