I don't want to start a war of quotes, especially with the threat of Nietzsche hanging in the air, but the turn this debate has taken brings to mind the final remarks of the Duke of Mallberry, one of my ancestors who, while not a cowboy poet, did know Nostradamus & supposedly came over on the boat with the great-great grandfather of the dopester who uses the nom de guerre Hank the Angry Dwarf, to wit: "From a scientific standpoint, it is indisputable that if someone spits in the ocean, all things being equal, the water level must rise. In the real world, of course, all things are never equal, whether the subject is how fast a particular horse can or will run, or whether someone has the discipline to stick to the issues and make his or her best argument without resorting to personal attacks. Some day, many yrs in the future, one of my progeny will attempt to engage in a series of cyberdebates with one who calls himself Aly....." Sadly, he never lived to finish that sentence.

Aly, you were the one who, a short time ago, called HP a bright guy who would do the right thing & solicited his opinion. I went along because his "resolution" of the trainer info debate seemed like evidence that he was operating in the real world, where rigid adherence to any orthodoxy can be an expensive proposition indeed, & because all debates must end sometime. When all is said & done, HP got it right on both issues & what he said should have been the last word. To react this way after you requested his view is unseemly.

There is not going to be any miracle of time & space which allows you to make a comeback in this debate, but even after all you've said I'm hopeful that there will be future debates which will "get things rocking" & perhaps allow all of us to learn a thing or 2. In order for that to happen, you're going to have to come to grips with the fact that we aren't dealing with the unsolvable mysteries of the universe & none of this is or should be personal. You're also going to have to figure out some way to extricate your teeth from HP's ankle.