David I'm glad you did so well. I would have let this drop, given the results, but this post takes the cake.

The only thing you're rubbing in is your own bad taste in past-posting wins that you gave no mention of whatsoever despite having plenty of time to put them up. I lost yesterday. How you did at the windows is almost entirely irrelevant, because it involves factors that had nothing to do with this challenge. The challenge was all about two guys sitting around the night before the race, looking at the card, and making their points using their respective products. Given the results, and the fact that we each cashed the same race, I would say this hardly demonstrates superiority for either product. However, with all things being equal, when you used the Ragozin SHEETS, and I used the TG sheets, you LOST this heads-up battle, and everybody saw it. I would agree that this is hardly worth $14,000, but it is less than great for you in terms of your credibility regarding your endless blathering about methodology. A couple of additional points I must mention.

Your bad taste here is equalled only by your bad taste in the way you post (which is what started this whole thing in the first place), where you buttress your arguments over here with one-sided slams (hilarious jokes) on the other board. Your big day at the track changes nothing on this count, and your post here reveals that this kind of thing (you can't just make your points without propping yourself up or patting yourself on the back) consistently informs your character.

The way I played in the contest was pretty much how I played the card, except for a few instances where unanticipated prices indicated a few extra plays.

We agree completely on the tosses of One Tuff Fox, War Emblem and Yankee Gentleman.

In the 3rd race, you included like 6 or 7 horses and most pointedly did NOT include Sherpa Guide, so the horse couldn't have looked that good on the SHEETS. On TG he fell in range with every other competitive horse except for Thunder Blitz (who had a faster back number), Personable Pete (I thought he would back up) and Prime Customer (who I think also had one back number that was better). To me it looked like about 7 horses had a shot. Jerry was more in line with you on Personable Pete. I tossed him, which is obviously why I didn't cash the race, but the field was so competitive I just took a stab at the longshots in exotics, not seeing how I could take Personable Pete at 2-1 in such a closely matched field. Used Sherpa Guide, who on TG was as good as any and ridiculous value at 33-1. Next.

Would agree that Judge's Case was huge value and used him, again failing to back with a win bet. I didn't like El Gran Papa.

Your points on the Belmont are self-serving in the extreme. You had all the time in the world to study the race and blew it like everyone else, and now you're blowing your horn that you hit. Mazel tov, but mark my words, posting this kind of thing will come back to haunt you somehow. I'm sure you used the SHEETS to come up with Sarava, and you didn't know if he would be a price so you didn't throw him in. Is that about right, Dave?.

Your subsequent hits (11 and 12) were made on the fly, so they must have looked so good on the SHEETS that you were keeping them a secret to help your prices. I used Quiet One too.

To sum up, David, the $14,000 changes nothing, you demonstrate nothing here except your lack of character, and you lost. HP