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Leaving 11th Street (1643 Views)
Posted by: TGJB (IP Logged)
Date: June 17, 2002 05:22PM

Recently, Jim inquired (joke) as to the circumstances surrounding my leaving Ragozin and setting up my own shop (as Soup put it).
Among his other qualities, Alydar has the memory of an elephant, and although a portion of the archives index is corrupt, he was able to remember the title and approximate date of a post of mine on the subject. Paul did some heroic work to rescue it, so here it is, if anyone cares.

Briefly:
I went to work for Ragozin in the 70's, for a little money and free use of the data. Ragozin was managing a stable for the Esposito brothers, and I was training and studying to go into that end of it. In 1976 a guy named Dennis Heard approached Ragozin to manage his stable (2 horses). Ragozin didn't like him, and instead sent him to me. I began to manage Dennis's outfit, with Ragozin getting a big piece of the profits.
I claimed a few for Dennis right away (Penn Peg, Market Forge, and Stern). They won their first six starts for us, 8 of our first 12, and we never looked back. Three years later, in 1979, we finished third in the country in wins. (It's also worthy of note that at almost the exact moment I took over the Heard operation, August 1976, I started winning as a bettor, having 18 straight winning months. When Len found out I was winning, my deal for free sheets for work all of a sudden became a bad idea, after years of being a good idea. He wanted 1/3 of profits, and I gave it to him - he was the only game in town.)
Anyway, at the end of 1979 Dennis and I called it quits. Since he and I had a profit sharing arrangement (and I had left all my profits in the stable) I was entitiled to quite a bit, which I took in horses, some of which was breeding stock. At this point Len figured he had me over a barrel - I was 28, the best in my field, and had no marketable skills in any other, and needed his unique data to continue. He tried to raise my rates through the roof - 10% of the capitalization of the stable (which was substantial, I think around a million) per year, plus a chunk of profits. This meant if I broke even for five years he would own half my stable. This was far more than he ever tried to get from anyone else, before or since, and it was just for data - the expertise would come from me.
Anyway, we went back and forth for a while, and eventually I walked, between Genuine Risk and Codex in May of 1980. Len knew me pretty well, and it's possible he may have done this to force me out since I was having far more success than he both with the stable and as a bettor.
So I went out to the Hamptons and found myself going nuts. I also found out that breeding stock eats and doesn't earn any purse money, and that the bloodstock market was heading south quickly. I only had one area of expertise, so in the fall of 81 I began to create a data base, initially for my own use, and that of the horseman I had developed into sheet users - Leatherbury, Forbes, and Sedlacek. Obviously, we've come a long way from there.



TGJB



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Leaving 11th Street (1643 Views) TGJB 06/17/2002 05:22PM
Re: Leaving 11th Street (912 Views) superfreakicus 06/17/2002 05:48PM
Re: Leaving 11th Street (1060 Views) TGJB 06/17/2002 06:13PM
Re: Leaving 11th Street (1076 Views) Jerry Jr. 06/17/2002 06:23PM
Re: Leaving 11th Street (1000 Views) teekay 06/17/2002 10:33PM
Re: improvisation (969 Views) superfreakicus 06/18/2002 05:26AM
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Re: improvisation (989 Views) superfreakicus 06/18/2002 03:55PM
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Re: improvisation (971 Views) TGJB 06/18/2002 04:23PM
Re: improvisation (967 Views) teekay 06/18/2002 04:31PM
Re: rip offs (1000 Views) superfreakicus 06/18/2002 04:40PM
Re: rip offs (988 Views) TGJB 06/18/2002 05:06PM
Re: improvisation (1050 Views) Jason L. 06/18/2002 09:57PM
Re: improvisation (950 Views) Michael D. 06/18/2002 10:47PM
Re: improvisation (957 Views) Jason L. 06/18/2002 11:06PM
Re: improvisation, the end. (923 Views) Michael D. 06/18/2002 11:20PM
Re: improvisation (969 Views) TGJB 06/19/2002 03:20PM
Re: improvisation (1097 Views) TGJB 06/18/2002 11:27PM
Re: improvisation (1091 Views) Jerry Jr. 06/18/2002 04:05PM
Re: improvisation (985 Views) teekay 06/18/2002 04:13PM
Re: improvisation (980 Views) HP 06/18/2002 04:21PM
Re: you know what happens when you make assumptions... (977 Views) superfreakicus 06/18/2002 04:35PM
Re: you know what happens when you make assumptions... (1041 Views) HP 06/18/2002 04:50PM
Re: you know what happens when you make assumptions... (1017 Views) superfreakicus 06/18/2002 05:26PM
Re: you know what happens when you make assumptions... (1081 Views) TGJB 06/18/2002 06:01PM
Re: mall, the Brown noser (966 Views) superfreakicus 06/18/2002 05:39PM
Re: improvisation (1019 Views) Jerry Jr. 06/18/2002 08:18PM
Re: improvisation (988 Views) teekay 06/18/2002 04:22PM
Re: jerry brown (1020 Views) superfreakicus 06/18/2002 04:28PM
Re: jerry brown (1102 Views) TGJB 06/18/2002 05:04PM
Re: someone with an agenda or an idiot (or both). (879 Views) superfreakicus 06/19/2002 06:04AM
Re: someone with an agenda or an idiot (or both). (983 Views) HP 06/19/2002 11:23AM
Re: improvisation (1112 Views) TGJB 06/18/2002 05:10PM
Re: improvisation (947 Views) Jerry Jr. 06/18/2002 08:28PM
Re: improvisation (999 Views) HP 06/18/2002 08:43PM
Re: improvisation (910 Views) Jerry Jr. 06/18/2002 08:50PM
Re: improvisation (894 Views) tegger 06/18/2002 09:14PM
Re: improvisation (1080 Views) tegger 06/18/2002 09:14PM
Re: improvisation (1061 Views) TGJB 06/18/2002 10:18PM
Re: DAVE LITFIN?????!! (1000 Views) superfreakicus 06/19/2002 05:52AM
Re: DAVE LITFIN?????!! (1018 Views) Scott V 06/19/2002 10:38AM
it's a wonderful life, jerry brown (1066 Views) superfreakicus 06/18/2002 06:13AM
Re: it's a wonderful life, jerry brown (997 Views) Scott V 06/18/2002 12:40PM
Re: it's a wonderful life, jerry brown (935 Views) superfreakicus 06/18/2002 01:15PM
Re: it's a wonderful life, jerry brown (955 Views) TGJB 06/18/2002 04:38PM
ahahahaha-nt. (939 Views) HP 06/17/2002 06:16PM
Re: Leaving 11th Street (897 Views) JR 06/18/2002 03:15PM
Re: Leaving 11th Street (1130 Views) TGJB 06/18/2002 04:34PM


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