I'm somewhere in between the two of you on this issue. Godolphin and Coolmore are to be respected anytime, but the overall derby messages we're getting right now are not as positive as for example BC last year or when Giants C. came over 2 yrs ago. frankie comes over for imperial gesture but is not sure if he stays for EOD, o'brien has been positively puzzling on jo'burg (he starts here, then he starts there, maybe he's coming, maybe just for the preakness...) and on castle gandolfo (he's only coming if jo'burg is coming - what the hell is that ?). It just has not been "all systems go". still, you'd be a fool to let any of them spoil your bet at inflated prices. if jo'burg is single digits he'd be the first to go from all my bets - class but just not value with all the doubts. catle I could use underneath as he will be really big. essence of dubai has a big chance to be in the first four or five so I will definitely use in exotics (and I admit to a tiny win saver at 21/1).