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Re: Lucky Pulpit vs. Tapit (695 Views)
Posted by: TreadHead (IP Logged)
Date: April 06, 2014 11:39PM

Lucky Pulpit and Tapit may both be by Pulpit, but the similarities end there. Doesn't matter what you look at, be it BRIS (Tapit AWD 7.4 to LPs 6.5F) or TG (Tapit 1.25 pts better at routes, LPs .75 worse at routes), it's very clear that the female influences brought into the Pulpit breeding of those offspring have had significantly different results.

Again, none of this isn't to say that CC or another Lucky Pulpit horse couldnt win a G1 at 10F, especially over a track like SA where the ground is not nearly as taxing and pedigree means far less, as speed carries with less effort. But when we are talking about getting over taxing ground like CD, my opinion is that things are going to be very different and when you have such a weak female influence as CC brings to the table, this might be the time where the limitations start to show, over a more taxing course.

Let's not forget, for as impressive as CC has been, all his route wins have been at SA. Again, we need only to go back to last year to see a horse like Goldencents that fooled everyone into thinking he was a legit 2 turn horse away from SA TWICE (he was pretty heavily bet again in the Preakness).

I agree CC is a very nice horse and his wins have been visually impressive, but I'm really not getting that way everyone has gone completely gaga over him given that there are several other horses with similar figures and he has done all his impressive work (save a 7F one-turn win at HOL) at the same track. If he duplicates it somewhere else like CD, then I'll take notice, but I think people are star-struck and not taking everything fully into context that they should (his breeding, his wins all being at SA, his figures compared to his peers).



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