I really don't get the lack of analytical ability from people on this board. I never said all visually impressive winners fail at the Derby. I never compared CC to Sinister Minister directly. Stop putting words in my mouth I never said.

Once again, there are 2 buckets of horses. Visually impressive prep winners who did well at the Derby (those you mentioned) and visually impressive prep winners who have failed.

Anyone trying to figure out which bucket CC belongs in is guessing at this point and anyone speaking with certainty to one way or the the other I think is fooling themselves. But I will admit to not knowing how to use the "race-track fast" analysis when it conflicts with TG and BRIS pace data in showing someone as largely superior when figure data does not.