Thank you magicnight, Unfortunately it was not what could have been, as i left about 500 euros on the table. in short,and excuse me for my ex post facto claims, after collating some capital from some unsavory characters (i.e., my ex-wife), i wagered 15 euros epiphaneia win, and then played a 50 cent trifecta which included both just a way and spielberg. However, being the schopenhauerian cosmic pessimist that I am, epiphaneia was only underneath and not on top, as i thought i was cleverly utilizing the tri as coverage instead of an each way bet. As we now know, 50 cent tri paid in the regions of 450, of course entailing that if epiphaneia would have finished second or third the nectar would have most likely been more bountiful. oh! the pugnant misery of poor wagering structure. i am not stating anything new, but in this game even when you win you often get the feeling that you lost. regards, k.