JB,

Get your point BUT Materiality was in there and Upstart took his best shot and was dismissed in a protracted dog fight. Now add:

1.Upstart lays his body down every race and comes out tired. How many gut wrenchers can he sustain? ...had 3 in a row.

2.American Pharoah, Carpe Diem, Far From Over, Firing Line all with upside, Dortmund,a fraud imo, nonetheless a contender on figs and a couple others.

...can't get to Upstart winning the derby with the above in mind, aware of his lofty figs.


Meanwhile, Rags sez Materiality ran like TG 9 first out and TG 1.5 second out,AND lifetime top for Upstart is a TG 1.5


Mike