I am not defending Ragozin, as I have not used their product. But I do have a friend that used their product for the Derby and Preakness. And I bought the Derby seminar and the Preakness from Thorograph.

I can't speak for who got the "beaten lengths" right, but I can speak for the fact that from my perspective Thorograph and Ragozin both blew the Derby and Preakness. No edge to either one. Neither one of you guys like Smarty Jones in either race.

So, I don't know that TG should be using the Preakness or Derby as an indication of product superiority.

Isn't the bottom line in handicapping, picking winners? To me it is and T-Graph (specifically Jerry Brown), missed both races. As did Ragozin.

The "general public" seemed to get it right this time, making Smarty 3 to 5 and he wins.