Your Ask The Experts ID
is separate from your
Order Online Account ID
 Race of the Week:  2023 Breeders' Cup Days Final Figures Santa Anita 3-4 November 2023  • 1 Specials Available
Order Online
Buy TG Data
Complete Menu of
TG Data products
Simulcast Books
Customize a Value
Package of Select
TG Data
Sheet Requests
Order The Last Figure for Any Horse
Free Products
Redboard Room
Download and Review previous days' data.
Race of the Week
With detailed comments
ThoroTrack
Email notification when your horse races
Information
Introduction
For newcomers.
Samples and Tutorials
For Horsemen
Consulting services and Graph Racing
Sales Sites
Where to buy TG around the country
Archives
Historical races and handicapping articles
Handicapping
Hall of Fame
Major handicapping contest winners
Home Page
Just thinking out loud... (912 Views)
Posted by: Dan (IP Logged)
Date: June 02, 2004 09:02PM

I've been enjoying everyone else's thoughts on the Belmont and I thought I'd weigh in with my own highly-unimpressive take. Hell, it beats studying for the bar. I'll be the first to admit that I'm not the horse player I was pre-law school when I firmly believed my opinions were among the best out there, at least until I went to the track and had them shattered on a daily basis. Now, I rarely need to wait for the actual race to realize my opinion is probably wrong. Nevertheless, here goes.

The first thought I have is really more about Lion Heart than SJ. LH reminds me so much of Peace Rules. And just like PR, SJ didn't so much put him away in the Preakness as LH either just collapsed or suffered a physical injury (there may have been news on this, but I missed it if there was). But, overall, LH was always just a sprinter/miler with a big heart. He has been showing all year he didn't want to go 2 turns and the Derby (at least in retrospect) seems to have been more about the tracks surface and his heart than his stamina. So, given that LH was SJ's main competition in the Preakness, the fact that he was a stretched-out sprinter who pulled a Sham-style collapse takes something away from the big margin of victory. JB gave him another big top, and I trust his figs, but I still am not sure that the Preakness was quite as impressive as it seemed.

Now that I have compared LH to PR, it seems only fair that I say that SJ is obviously not Funny Cide, nor is Purge Empire Maker. Most importantly, unlike that idiotic ride Santos gave FC in the Preakness, Elliot really seemed to wrap up SJ the final 16th and Servis has resisted the temptation to blow SJ out in 46 or whatever brilliant move Barclay did last year. So, SJ deserves to be the overwhelming favorite. Hell, I can't possibly imagine any of these challengers beating him on their best day. But unlike all the experts whose opinion I respect more than my own, I just have this vision in my head. I just can see SJ hitting the top of the stretch with the lead when he starts staggering and some nobody horse (Eddington???) comes galloping up alongside him and nails him late. Maybe its just the product of having been on this planet 26 years now and not having seen a 3crown winner since I was all of about 5 months old, but I just see the 1 1/2 getting to him. Yes, I know that everyone will say he has proved his pedigree didn't matter the way he won the first two legs but we all know the Derby was a seriously speed favoring track, and the Preakness, well, it just reminds me of Favorite Trick's BC Juvenile (when Grand Slam had the back of his leg ripped off) when it looked FT would run all day long. I think people are being a little cavalier about this stretchout -- I mean, it is a friggin' 1/4 mile longer than he has ever run before. Horses who look like they won't stop at a mile sure can stop in a hurry at 1 1/4 (see Favorite Trick, etc.).

Anyway, if you actually read through all that thanks for putting up with my ramblings. I hope Smarty proves me wrong, the sport could sure use it, but I still belive Silver Charm was a better horse and if he couldn't get it done...




Subject Written By Posted
Just thinking out loud... (912 Views) Dan 06/02/2004 09:02PM
Re: Just thinking out loud... (506 Views) Saddlecloth 06/02/2004 11:02PM
Re: Just thinking out loud... (518 Views) Holy55 06/03/2004 08:46AM
Re: Just thinking out loud... (527 Views) Dan 06/03/2004 10:47AM
Re: Just thinking out loud... (652 Views) MO 06/03/2004 05:23PM
Re: Just thinking out loud... (473 Views) Dan 06/03/2004 08:52PM
Re: Just thinking out loud... (559 Views) Dan 06/05/2004 07:01PM
Re: Just thinking out loud... (538 Views) miff 06/05/2004 07:17PM
Re: Just thinking out loud... (494 Views) Chuckles_the_Clown2 06/05/2004 07:23PM
Re: Just thinking out loud... (460 Views) Boscar Obarra 06/05/2004 07:34PM
Re: Just thinking out loud... (501 Views) Boscar Obarra 06/05/2004 07:39PM
Re: Just thinking out loud... (417 Views) Saddlecloth 06/05/2004 07:34PM
Re: Just thinking out loud... (531 Views) miff 06/05/2004 07:36PM
Re: Just thinking out loud... (451 Views) Dan 06/05/2004 07:44PM
Re: Just thinking out loud... (583 Views) Dan 06/05/2004 07:43PM
Re: Just thinking out loud... (509 Views) Boscar Obarra 06/05/2004 08:05PM
Re: Just thinking out loud... (516 Views) 06/05/2004 08:15PM
Re: Just thinking out loud... (509 Views) 06/05/2004 08:18PM
Re: Just thinking out loud... (460 Views) Silver Charm 06/05/2004 08:36PM
Re: Just thinking out loud... (593 Views) Chuckles_the_Clown2 06/05/2004 08:49PM
Re: Just thinking out loud... (473 Views) Silver Charm 06/05/2004 09:01PM
Re: Just thinking out loud... (660 Views) Chuckles_the_Clown2 06/05/2004 09:06PM
Re: Just thinking out loud... (452 Views) 06/06/2004 11:39AM
Re: Just thinking out loud... (460 Views) Chuckles_the_Clown2 06/06/2004 11:47AM
Re: Just thinking out loud... (561 Views) Silver Charm 06/06/2004 04:16PM
Re: Just thinking out loud... (478 Views) Boscar Obarra 06/05/2004 10:03PM


Sorry, only registered users may post in this forum.
This forum powered by Phorum.

Thoro-Graph 180 Varick Street New York, NY 10014 ---- Click here for the Ask The Experts Archives.