Your Ask The Experts ID
is separate from your
Order Online Account ID
 Race of the Week:  The Modesty Stakes Churchill May 3, 2024  • 2 Specials Available
Order Online
Buy TG Data
Complete Menu of
TG Data products
Simulcast Books
Customize a Value
Package of Select
TG Data
Sheet Requests
Order The Last Figure for Any Horse
Free Products
Redboard Room
Download and Review previous days' data.
Race of the Week
With detailed comments
ThoroTrack
Email notification when your horse races
Information
Introduction
For newcomers.
Samples and Tutorials
For Horsemen
Consulting services and Graph Racing
Sales Sites
Where to buy TG around the country
Archives
Historical races and handicapping articles
Handicapping
Hall of Fame
Major handicapping contest winners
Home Page
Late Pick 5 Debacle -- O'Rourke's Response (215 Views)
Posted by: Socalman3 (IP Logged)
Date: August 09, 2023 02:17PM

Socalman3 Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------
> BitPlayer Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > I see from Andy Serling's Twitter feed that he
> is
> > going to have David O'Rourke, President of
> NYRA,
> > on at the beginning of Talking Horses today to
> > "discuss events from this past weekend." I
> have
> > no idea what the scope of the discussion will
> be
> > (just the breakdowns, or also the off-the-turf
> > decision making?), but it might be worth a
> listen.
> > The show starts at 12:05 EDT today and is
> usually
> > uploaded to Youtube afterwards.
>
> Thank you for heads up on this. Due to work, I
> wont be able to listen to it live, but I will be
> very interested to hear what he has to say. If it
> is anything less than abject acknowledgement of
> the failure, the problem remains.

Well, you have to give the O'Rourke credit for acknowledging that what they did was wrong and that they need to do better. So, on the positive side of the ledger, they finally acknowledged wrongdoing (albeit, 3 days late) and admit they need to do something for the bettors. On balance, his statement was more positive that negative, but there were some negatives.

One, he said, by way of explanation, that they asked for time to extend the post time and they asked to cancel the bet and were not permitted this. Well, that seems to me mighty significant. He did not say who he asked and why that person said no, but it seems to me that any dealing with this issue needs to expose exactly what happened here and proactive measures need to be taken so whoever it is doesn't make the wrong calls in those situations. If they had not been denied their request to delay post time or two cancel the bet, this situation wouldn't exist. To the extent blame is relevant, it is now clear who deserves to be blamed for this. This cannot get fixed without getting to the bottom of this.

The other is that he did not address the elephant in the room. Declaring the races ALL WIN was contrary to the rules and regulations. Did the same wisenheimer who wouldn't allow him to cancel the bet or delay post time allow this breaking of the rules? Why did they choose to break the rules in favor of one group of bettors against another group of bettors? These were all legitimate questions and the guy did not address them.

I am not sure who Serling is. He may be conflicted and it is not appropriate that he doesn't clearly disclose his interests. Is he supposed to be a journalist, a pitch man, a consumer advocate? Is he on the side of horseplayers or on the side of management? That needs to be disclosed because you cannot understand what he is saying without knowing that. He sort of said that he is NYRA but he is also a horseplayer (sort of trying to have it both ways) - but in situations like this, you cannot really have it both ways, you need to come out on one side of the divide. The one thing I can say is that IF Serling is supposed to be either a journalist or a consumer (horseplayer) advocate, then he completely fell down on the job. He did not ask the obvious tough questions and he allowed the guy to get off with just giving an abject apology without getting into the difficult stuff. However, if he was interviewing his boss, then that is a really difficult position. I would just say there shouldn't be a veneer that O'Rourke actually faced the betting public because Serling was conflicted and couldn't ask the questions a pure member of the betting public could.

It looks, at least, like they have stopped digging in the hole and have throw away the shovel, but they still have a lot of work to do - including addressing the glaring omissions from the talk.



Subject Written By Posted
Sunday Spa Late Pick 5 (470 Views) Socalman3 08/06/2023 04:14PM
Re: Sunday Spa Late Pick 5 (334 Views) shanahan 08/06/2023 04:25PM
OUTRAGE Re: Sunday Spa Late Pick 5 (379 Views) Socalman3 08/06/2023 04:27PM
Re: OUTRAGE Re: Sunday Spa Late Pick 5 (329 Views) Molesap 08/06/2023 04:31PM
Re: OUTRAGE Re: Sunday Spa Late Pick 5 (402 Views) Fairmount1 08/06/2023 05:14PM
Re: OUTRAGE Re: Sunday Spa Late Pick 5 (351 Views) Socalman3 08/06/2023 05:33PM
Re: OUTRAGE Re: Sunday Spa Late Pick 5 (308 Views) Socalman3 08/06/2023 05:38PM
Re: OUTRAGE Re: Sunday Spa Late Pick 5 (316 Views) Fairmount1 08/06/2023 05:44PM
Re: OUTRAGE Re: Sunday Spa Late Pick 5 (326 Views) pip4126 08/06/2023 05:46PM
Re: OUTRAGE Re: Sunday Spa Late Pick 5 (336 Views) Fairmount1 08/06/2023 05:47PM
Re: OUTRAGE Re: Sunday Spa Late Pick 5 (297 Views) pip4126 08/06/2023 05:59PM
Re: OUTRAGE Re: Sunday Spa Late Pick 5 (301 Views) Socalman3 08/06/2023 06:00PM
Re: OUTRAGE Re: Sunday Spa Late Pick 5 (288 Views) pip4126 08/06/2023 06:06PM
Re: OUTRAGE Re: Sunday Spa Late Pick 5 (344 Views) statuette 08/06/2023 08:53PM
Self Excluding at NYRA Bets - Re: OUTRAGE Re: Sunday Spa Late Pick 5 (322 Views) Socalman3 08/06/2023 10:43PM
Re: Self Excluding at NYRA Bets - Re: OUTRAGE Re: Sunday Spa Late Pick 5 (293 Views) Socalman3 08/07/2023 08:32AM
Re: OUTRAGE Re: Sunday Spa Late Pick 5 (331 Views) Fairmount1 08/06/2023 06:19PM
Re: OUTRAGE Re: Sunday Spa Late Pick 5 (286 Views) Socalman3 08/06/2023 11:48PM
Re: OUTRAGE Re: Sunday Spa Late Pick 5 (306 Views) P-Dub 08/07/2023 09:28AM
Re: OUTRAGE All NYRA's Fault? (287 Views) BitPlayer 08/07/2023 12:35PM
Re: OUTRAGE All NYRA's Fault? (309 Views) Socalman3 08/07/2023 12:56PM
Re: OUTRAGE All NYRA's Fault? (262 Views) Socalman3 08/07/2023 01:46PM
Re: OUTRAGE All NYRA's Fault? (260 Views) BitPlayer 08/07/2023 02:15PM
Re: OUTRAGE All NYRA's Fault? (336 Views) Socalman3 08/07/2023 02:58PM
Re: OUTRAGE - NYRA Response? (214 Views) BitPlayer 08/09/2023 11:42AM
Re: OUTRAGE - NYRA Response? (238 Views) Socalman3 08/09/2023 12:07PM
Late Pick 5 Debacle -- O'Rourke's Response (215 Views) Socalman3 08/09/2023 02:17PM
Re: Late Pick 5 Debacle -- O'Rourke's Response (267 Views) BB 08/09/2023 04:16PM
Re: Late Pick 5 Debacle -- O'Rourke's Response (227 Views) Socalman3 08/09/2023 05:08PM
Re: Late Pick 5 Debacle -- O'Rourke's Response (283 Views) TGJB 08/09/2023 07:31PM
Open Reach Out to Fairmount1 - Re: OUTRAGE Re: Sunday Spa Late Pick 5 (339 Views) Socalman3 08/08/2023 09:37AM
Re: Open Reach Out to Fairmount1 - Re: OUTRAGE Re: Sunday Spa Late Pick 5 (352 Views) TGJB 08/08/2023 11:02AM
Re: Open Reach Out to Fairmount1 - Re: OUTRAGE Re: Sunday Spa Late Pick 5 (288 Views) Socalman3 08/08/2023 11:08AM
Re: Sunday Spa Late Pick 5 (334 Views) Molesap 08/06/2023 04:29PM


Sorry, only registered users may post in this forum.
This forum powered by Phorum.

Thoro-Graph 180 Varick Street New York, NY 10014 ---- Click here for the Ask The Experts Archives.