Thanks Fairmount. A shameless plug for Thorograph and its use in the contests follow- I have been outspoken that recreational handicappers have little chance of success against the CAW monster. The contests sponsored by Horseplayers and HORSETOURNEYS.com offer the perfect way to stay active, pick your spots as a bettor and get into large $ tourneys at modest cost.It cost me $18 last year to qualify and $30 this year. Coupled with the use of Thorograph the edge you have is substantial.I made far more $ than I have ever made as a bettor. ( There is a huuuuge difference between handicapping and betting) Horse players are stubborn- If I can make the transition to being a contest player at this point in my life you all can. I have been fortunate enough to qualify each time I tried, made the semis the last 2 years and without taking away from any handicapping skills I may have, I could NOT have been successful without Jerry and Thorograph. I sat with a good group of handicappers the last 2 years- only one ( moi)was a Thorograph user! The Thorograph user made it to semis. Just do it!