Well if it is the same so called vet. and he might have something wink wink, why don't you think everyone else is using it to keep up?? You either use it or rat or get out of the game. These up and coming trainers who cry's about the big boys needs to do one of the three. I can see it now if these trainers that has been brought up don't win a race next sat. there will be talk about how they couldnt get their vet. to work the magic or if they do win races we'll hear how the vet. got pass everyone......when will it ever end with this.