All I can say is that "Frank" prefaced his involvement in this debate with words to the effect that "He did not care how figures are made and that working to insure their accuracy did not matter to him because they did not affect his ROI." If you doubt my pharaphrasing of the matter, check the thread and decide for yourself. Then he turned around and said he was a TGraph user. Why do I find those statements both self serving and conflicting? I always get a kick out of those that post saying they are using TGraph while they take shots at the concern. Convenient isn't it? Anyone hear the "Terminator Dogs" barking? (Thats a Classic Silver Charm) Well "Frank" I doubt your statements, but I hope you really are using TFigs. With the logic you've demonstrated in a couple posts here, I'm convinced that you need them. If you are using them you need to reflect upon your debate technique and ask yourself: "How can I ever trust the other guys when they refuse to fix, let alone acknowledge their errors?" (And those are issues they've been CAUGHT on.) Think long and hard on that and then consider how you might amend your original post.

Saying something doesn't make it true. Regardless of who says it. Rags amply demostrates that when they publish baloney figures. I still don't like Japanese that crush out cigarettes with their heels upon the Arizona Memorial and I am an Anti-Zionist. If you understand anything at all about PNAC you would be too. Unless you're a Zionist and in that case you'll support the Iraq boondoggle and not even God can help you.

TGraph has stated numerous times that modern vet work is impacting the figure. That the medicine is discernable in the number assigned. I've heard it and I believe it, but in practice its very hard to reconcile with handicapping experience. I've questioned TGraphs interpretation of the B.C. Classic since I first heard of the numbers. The other factor of course is Steve Allday. I'll keep that in mind as races develope to confirm or disprove my skepticism with the Classic. Can anyone point me to any articles where Allday is the subject? I'm having a devil of a time finding any material on him.

Thx Jerry on the Silver Charm sales info.

CtC