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Re: Giambi-ization of racing... (377 Views)
Posted by: Chuckles_the_Clown2 (IP Logged)
Date: December 30, 2004 07:07PM

John,

I was as big a Smarty Jones fan as existed. I even got over him losing the Triple Crown, because I eventually made his losing race a big, big effort. He's my second favorite horse of all time, but its not his big figure races that bother me, its the new horse in Servis's barn picking right up. Its too Frankelesque.

JohnTChance wrote the following:

> First of all, let me just say that I don't know anything. I
> can't do a sentence and this is just my very personal opinion
> only.
>
> Jerry, I believe you.
>
> But you said in your Derby day analysis that SMARTY JONES had
> "the best ThoroGraph figures of any horse who ever entered the
> starting gate for the Kentucky Derby" and you noted the colt's
> sire profile skewed to sprints. Before racing at two, we've
> been told the colt was in bad shape and near death. Was he
> given strong therapeutic injections to combat his condition of
> ill health that also had a sideline steroid-like effect of
> moving him up? Affecting his growth? Or did SMARTY run a 0 in
> November of his 2 years old season [and then pair it up six
> weeks later!] as a result of his God-given talent alone? What
> provoked that incredible -3.75 ThoroGraph he ran at Oaklawn?
> Mother Nature alone?
>
> Was Dr. Baker there at Philadelphia Park where SMARTY trained
> in October 2003 before the first 0? Was he there at Philly Park
> in January for the second 0? Was he there at Oaklawn for the
> -3.75?
>
> Noting that the BC Classic was once won with a 4 ThoroGraph [!]
> and noting also your fascinating articles on racehorses getting
> faster, I believe without any doubts that SMARTY was aided by
> something other than Mother Nature alone. As always, I wish I
> had the video proof. But I dont.
>
> Lastly, some trainers have more than one vet. For years Shug
> had one guy at Belmont [where he was lackluster] and another
> vet at Saratoga [where his barn would curiously wake up].
>
> Sometimes a guy like Allday ISN'T THE EVERDAY attending vet.
> But he's asked to come in and [as my friend likes to say]
> "change the oil." The idea being that maybe John Servis had
> more than one guy treat his horse from before the colt's debut
> till his last race.
>
>



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WALL STREET WALLY... (581 Views) JohnTChance 12/27/2004 07:48PM
Re: WALL STREET WALLY... (388 Views) TGJB 12/27/2004 07:59PM
Re: Giambi-ization of racing... (434 Views) JohnTChance 12/27/2004 08:41PM
Re: Giambi-ization of racing... (395 Views) Delmar Deb 12/27/2004 10:36PM
Re: Giambi-ization of racing... (410 Views) ninefingers 12/29/2004 06:29PM
Re: Giambi-ization of racing... (462 Views) TGJB 12/28/2004 01:45PM
Re: Giambi-ization of racing... (373 Views) JohnTChance 12/28/2004 05:16PM
Re: Giambi-ization of racing... (402 Views) Aunstables 12/28/2004 05:46PM
Re: Giambi-ization of racing... (357 Views) spa 12/28/2004 06:27PM
Re: Giambi-ization of racing... (380 Views) Josephus 12/28/2004 08:03PM
Re: Giambi-ization of racing... (455 Views) Aunstables 12/28/2004 08:48PM
Re: Giambi-ization of racing... (395 Views) Josephus 12/29/2004 12:06PM
Re: Giambi-ization of racing... (407 Views) P.Eckhart 12/29/2004 03:01PM
Re: Giambi-ization of racing... (377 Views) Chuckles_the_Clown2 12/30/2004 07:07PM
Re: WALL STREET WALLY... (371 Views) shanahan 12/28/2004 03:16PM


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