>But Silver you said Bellamani ran a hole in the wind negative 9 or 10 I thought?....surely he could have bounced 9 points and still won?

In some of the Pre-Race Analysis Michael D I believe pointed out that from an 18 horse sample, all of whom had run Large Tops going into the Derby, 12 of them bounced 17 points or more. I took the other point of view that 6 of the 18 bounced 3 or less and a lot of the others had major issues much more so than the bounce angle. The Wood effort was clearly too much for Bellamy Road to handle. He probably did bounce 17 points and ran about 7.

And yet lot of what you heard was how strong his gallops were and how good he was looking. When his neck began too bow up as he left the paddock for the race, whatever hole he created in the Wood, he sucked me right into it. Like a lot of other people.

There are a lot of us who are licking our wounds right now. However if you are not willing to stick your neck out in this game or in life in general then who cares what your opinions are.