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Re: Post-Derby Questions and Thoughts (504 Views)
Posted by: Chuckles_the_Clown2 (IP Logged)
Date: May 09, 2005 06:15PM

jimbo66 wrote:

> CtC,
>
> Those may be legitimate issues for you, but they aren't
> universally acclaimed, that is for sure.
>
> Noble Causeway is extremely well bred for the distance. That
> is not just my opinion, but also the opinions of all the
> pedigree experts that I read.

Its hard for me to sign off on a horse being distance bred soley on the basis of his sire. Giant's Causeway ran Tiznow game one race here. Does that make his get a sure thing at 10 marks?, especially when one of them is having trouble closing into a Horse in the Florida Derby that is part wrapped up and really does look bred a little lite for Classic distance? Noble Causeway has a lot of Storm Cat and near Mr. Prospector. Thats hard to get real excited about in considering the hang. Storm Cat is an immediate turn off in most pedigrees for me. His mare was unraced but it gets good beyond her.

>
> The bad rail looks marginal to me. Would like to hear other
> opinions on this.

They looked to be intentionally staying clear of it most of the day. Those that got down in there didn't appear to fare well

>
> Coin Silver didn't look like a wet track specialist to me. He
> looked good on T-Graph BEFORE the Lexington.

Ok, lets say his performance was hard to factor. Still he was coming off a two point top two weeks prior.

>
> Flower Alley - Do you think his breeding was any worse than
> Funny Cide's?

Much worse. Funny Cide had a remarkable female side. Spectacular actually. and NO mr. prospector on the mare side which I truly despise

> SUn King - Not convinced distance is the problem. I know his
> one turn races have been better, but he isn't necessarily bred
> like a one turn horse.

He is the only thing Charismatic has gotten.
The dam got one named Traitor that wanted to stop at a mile by my reckoning. That one was by Cryptoclearance. the dam sire wanted shorter ground. He could go on, but not with my money until he proves hes competitive with the better horses at two turns. That BC Juvy was very misleading he saved all the ground on a surface that was very quick inside. Zito likes him, so maybe you'll get 39-1 in the Preakness.


> High Limit - Baloney on the injury. They are running him back
> in the Preakness. How injured could he have been?

I've read all kinds of reports he was grabbed in both legs and was dripping blood on the walk back to the stall.

> If
> Frankel's horses cough once, he lays them off for 60 days.

> Afleet Alex - Rewatch the replay. Anybody that criticizes the
> ride Jeremy Rose gave him is off base. I criticized him before
> the race but he gave that horse every chance to win. The trip
> didn't beat him. He made good decisions.

There were some issues. Probably most important among them a regression.

> Bellamy Road - The pace didn't beat this horse either. He was
> not much closer to it than Closing ARgument. Adversity and
> Bounce - Yep.

The pace was his adversity. He never had to look horses in the rump before. Even if he is capable of Neg 5's the headstrong type get to over striding and pressing. they want to cruise alone and I think this guy is like that. If he was rating he'd of been 7 back. He didn't rate.



Subject Written By Posted
Post-Derby Questions and Thoughts (740 Views) BitPlayer 05/09/2005 05:11PM
Re: Post-Derby Questions and Thoughts (358 Views) jimbo66 05/09/2005 05:16PM
Re: Post-Derby Questions and Thoughts (385 Views) TGJB 05/09/2005 05:23PM
Re: Post-Derby Questions and Thoughts (416 Views) Chuckles_the_Clown2 05/09/2005 05:42PM
Re: Post-Derby Questions and Thoughts (390 Views) jimbo66 05/09/2005 05:49PM
Re: Post-Derby Questions and Thoughts (400 Views) Bally Ache 05/09/2005 05:59PM
Re: Post-Derby Questions and Thoughts (413 Views) BitPlayer 05/09/2005 06:21PM
Re: Post-Derby Questions and Thoughts (504 Views) Chuckles_the_Clown2 05/09/2005 06:15PM
Re: Post-Derby Questions and Thoughts (463 Views) DeathBredon 05/09/2005 10:52PM
Re: Post-Derby Questions and Thoughts (505 Views) Uncle Buck 05/09/2005 10:58PM
Re: Post-Derby Questions and Thoughts (479 Views) Chuckles_the_Clown2 05/09/2005 11:53PM
Re: Post-Derby Questions and Thoughts (473 Views) miff 05/09/2005 05:27PM
Re: Post-Derby Questions and Thoughts (396 Views) Uncle Buck 05/09/2005 08:56PM


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