man, everyone is right on target tonight...good points, O...my wife and I travel to the big tracks several times a year for the experience - not really expecting a big score at all - and we love it! But the things you point out will ruin the game and make it a straight "home" game via the video route. Say what you wnat about Stronach - his tracks have other things to offer a family besides vulgar, unshaven losers who dont' really understand what they are doing at the track. Let's face it - there is only KNLD, Sar, and DM - CD on certain wkends - but if you want to have fun outside of the obvious (forgot GP!) ones, try a little wkend track like Lone Star for things to entertain outside of the racing. Oaklawn is great during the festival of the South.