...since the 2nd generation version, which I understand is very different from what didn't work at Rem, has been in use at Lingfield Park for some period of time, & was in continuous use there from Oct 2004 through March 2005, if I understand their website correctly. It's been used at the Kee training track since 9/04 & horses have been working on it at Turfway since the beginning of Aug. As the TP meet is less than a month away & all indications are that the surface will be installed at Kee & one or two West Coast tracks if the surface performs well at TP, I'm sure that anything Mr Eckart has to offer on the subject would be very much appreciated.