I'm not sure I follow the logic of putting Judy, a friend, in the middle of what has the potential of turning into another dust up along the lines of the rather bizarre debate a few yrs ago over whether or not Steve Wolfson, Jr. used tgraph when he won the nhc. For those of you who recall, the thing I found inexplicable about that debate, which also applies here, as pointed out by ncTony, is that no one actually spoke to Steve & asked him what he used until I happened to end up sitting next to him at the 2005 finals. I'm 99% certain that I posted on this very subject after I(& Bill Spillane) talked to Judy at the Gallo brothers' contest in S.D. two yrs ago. I also could have asked Judy when I saw her & her husband Brian on Saturday. Both, by the way, are very good handicappers, so the speculation about birthdays & lottery nos is wide of the mark. Believe it or not guys, there are some very good women handicappers out there. In any event, Brian qualified again this yr, & Judy will be with him in Jan, so I suggest that if this subject is one people really need to discuss, which I doubt, that the discussion be postponed until Feb.