Actually, Chuckles, your points about turf racing - large fields, narrow crowded
courses,unpredictable pace scenarios - are all salient. But IMO John Henry is
Immortal, and I am sure that he lost more than half of his races.

Actually, CtC, I was the one who mentioned Ouija Board as the best runner I
have seen in the seven years of the 21st Century. She showed up for the BC 3
straight years, prevailing twice. She ran against the best European males and
was competitive. She is a Grade 1/ Group I winner on 3 continents.You are the
resident Tesio here, so maybe you can explain to me why they chose Kingmambo
as her first match.

Actually, Chuckzapper, I was trying to expand the circumference of
the circle of Greatness/ Immortality which was being debated here; very few
turfers/females/Euros were being mentioned.

Actually, Clownvasor, I am trying to figure out what was in the water/soil in
the 1970s. Three American Triple Crown winners plus Alydar plus the Bid plus
Forego plus Ruffian plus Shuvee plus others. And, during the 70s, I believe four
English Triple Crown winners -- Nijinsky, Grundy, Troy and the Minstrel.

These are fun debates, Chuckdiarmidia, so long as nobody mentions Bellamy Road
(-5 TG, 120 Beyer) as one of the great ones.