The "others" I was referring to are those attending with Jerry & Roger. The races end about 5pm. Per JB's post they will get there at 6pm & stay for at least a couple of hrs, which I think we can both assume means 3-4 hrs unless racing officials have figured out a way to limit the quantity of medication handicappers take the night before a big race day. I get in about the same time you do, but the place in question is only 11 miles from O'Hare, & I was willing to make an extra effort to get there if I knew you & your husband were going. Keep in mind that I already know how a few of these races are going to turn out, so that attending may very well be the most important decision you make this weekend.