Well, without trying to get into a snarky exchange with TGJB, I only would say that while I do not have the analytical capacity to get into an exchange over the accuracy of the two products' numbers, save to suggest that a fluky fast downhill sprint turf # doesn't seem as though the best figure to make comparisons with route figures, plenty of posters on this board have used less evidence to make their point.

I do not have the sheets for the Oaks, though on another subject, I am hopeful of buying Gus a beer on Black-Eyed Susan day. Actuially, he should buy me won; the Albany paper reports he had $200 on FC at 150/1 in Vegas and went back for more several times at lower odds.

Anyway, I did appreciate TGJB's analysis more than Robes'for the Derby, tho' I continue to harbor doubts about the capacity of anyone to produce super-accurate figures -- IN SOME CIRCUMSTANCES -- and so, as I search for the Holy Grail, I keep returning to trips, trips, trips...