Jerry, Do you feel it's stronger when a horse makes a small move if the move came on a off surface or do you treat it the same???? I like the horse's line even better,if it did come on a off track, it shows me that the horse is really in great shape.......One more question Jerry, I ask this to Len F. the other day, what are your thoughts on the low claimers, do you play them, if so how do you treat them different??? I've said this before I will choose your product over Rag's when it comes to the low claimers, your numbers have a better feel to them, but when it comes to the stakes and high claiming horses I get a better read from Rag's. I've hit my highest paying horse ever using TG one night at Mnr. it paid something like 112.00. I think your product is great for capping those kinds of tracks.