Charismatic ran for a tag pre derby. I think theres been gelded Kentucky Derby winners to run for a tag post derby in the old days.

My point was that two of his Derby winners Lukas didn't want, the other two surprised him. I told some friends the year Grindstone won he was by far Lukas's best horse. He would have been 20-1 without being coupled with Editors Note. Lukas had no clue. He never does.

I'm still excited about the La. Derby. The fig is gonna be intersting. One thing is clear there is now a horse to rival those in the East and Mike Watchmaker who stated Wimbledon was a "caver" needs to be more careful.

Rumor has it that TGJB and Derby1592 are selling their Future bets to Fire Slam and Shaniko respectively for $2 shares that return 75-1. :) Seriously, Shaniko is done, but Fire Slam was too close to burning fractions. He can't be ruled out yet.

You gotta be happy for McIngvale too. He's poured money into the game and not really come up with a good one that I can recall. The one year he was stocked Zito broke the whole stable down at Hallandale.

One other point, this horse is a Wild Rush out of a Darn that Alarm mare....who really thinks Lukas could see that? Be honest and wish him a speedy bums rush.

lol

CtC