in my opinion, the takeout out argument is baloney as far as increasing handle with people having fun and playing. My 20 yr old son and all his friends and my nephew and his friends who I bring to the track and the local teletrack could give 2 @#$%& about a takeout, they have no idea.

I been playing for over 40 years, used to be a much bigger player. Been here since 1996 the beginning. The takeout issue will never have a bearing on bringing anyone into the game or keeping anyone in the game, at the fun level. You guys who play deep and strong, yeah that may matter. But you guys just butt heads with each other. Times have changed, anyone around back in the day can tell you what it was like. Today is nothing at all like yesterday with the sheets, not even close.

Its just not the same game or the same opposition anymore. Bringing everyone up on Aug 11 for the 25th year, hopefully will see if anyone is around the old Carolina BBQ area