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Re: Where's the outrage??? (1124 Views)
Posted by: Furious Pete (IP Logged)
Date: June 18, 2017 10:15PM

"You completely miss the point."

I'm not so sure he did, because I think it's two different kind of points to be made here.

The point Johnny is on about, is that we all have seen it many enough times now to be able to anticipate it. How many times should one really try to beat Lance Armstrong out of the yellow jersey before it gets stupid to even try? I guess we have learned now, later, that he could've won those Tour De Frances with half an hour every year if he wanted to. 1/5 on him winning would've been a gift if we knew for sure then what we know for sure now.

The other point, of course, is how could one stop it?

I don't disagree with anyone saying that it hurts the product of US Racing to have these guys around because it makes the market even more of a "sucker" market than it already is. The "dodgy" aspects of US Racing is one of the main reasons why I prefer to take most of my action elsewhere. And I sure as hell try to avoid risking too much on the really big days, when there really are big bucks to be made. (implied; I like the insiders chances better than mine)

No, it shouldn't be like that, but is it a way to stop it?

We don't even really know if what he does actually is illegal, it can't be fair, but we don't know if it's illegal and we don't know how illegal. There are LOADS of examples from endurance sports of people "gaming the system" finding ways to use legal medicaments in illegal ways making it almost impossible to detect if one knows what one is doing, e.g overdosing on Salbutamol (asthma medicine) to get an almost "anabolic" effect etc, - I've read some reports suggesting that there are an insane numbers of olympic medal winners that have asthma, or maybe "asthma", we don't really know (of course the official spin is that this is what one gets for pushing the limits of the human body outside in our polluted, god-forsaken nature, or in chlorine-infected swimming pools). TBH, I've thought many times that they got that idea from the horse racing industry in the first place. I'm no expert but I believe medicaments like Salbutamol is pretty closely related to Clenbuterol. Maybe there are som rat-bastard white coats out there that could confirm..?

Those that pushes the limits the most, also wins the most, but the more risk one takes the surer should one be in ones calculations and whole operation. That's why I believe John T. Chance is spot on when pointing his fingers towards the vets; I believe this is a "super-vet"-problem even more so than a "super-trainer"-problem. Do I have a solution? No. Not a working one, at least not one that would ever be taken seriously, but if it took off it could at least serve as a loud and somewhat amusing message to the ones responsible.

It boils down to money, human cynicism, and greed - right? How much money could one such "super-vet" possibly earn? How much bitterness must they be tasting watching another man get all the praise and glory for their own hard work?

What if we, "every outraged horse player", for once in our lives pulled in the same direction and organized a crowdfunding to "free the super-vets"? If every outraged horse player puts in 10 or 20 or 30 dollars each to make them stop, it wouldn't take long before that "offer" would start to get tempting. And a stunt like that is sure to go viral, gathering a lot of really bad publicity at those in charge, and those responsible. Who knows, maybe something would happen?

Think about it. 25 dollars. That's not much. Just skip the seminar and bet every Baffert runner instead for a year !

(Judging by the price of Practical Joke in the Derby we need more than just the T-Generates to make this happen, though! We need the "Patchers")

I think it would've worked in England. After all they managed to put "Ding Dong The Witch Is Dead" on the top of the charts following the death of the dear ol' Iron Lady ( http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/margaret-thatcher-dead-ding-dong-1821740 )



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