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Re: Data for Churchill Downs (298 Views)
Posted by: smalltimer (IP Logged)
Date: May 16, 2022 04:17PM

Treadhead,

I've not done that.

Initially, when Poly became a thing, I started early at Woodbine, Golden Gate, etc to identify those sires that "were" throwing some good runners on that surface.

Rather than piss and moan about the arrival of this new surface, I tried to attack the surface to see where I could develop any edge.

I did find a handful in Canada and GG that sired quite a few with a lot of early speed, but mostly, they were all cheap claimers, but some really threw some prices.

The Churchill/Belmont issue would be a monster undertaking. Of course, it can be done, but I'm more of a "trainer intent" kind of guy.

Honestly, if I were you, and you had the time, I'd start with flat miles or some route distance where there are not so many races/horses to contend with. Otherwise, it can get pretty daunting trying to compile everything.

On occassion, I wind up chasing my tail on a trainer and finally come to the conclusion that he's just not that good. Other times, I stumble on a trainer and he joins my "Dream Team", he just doesn't know it.

Not to get sidetracked, but some of the best trainers I've played are those that BEAT a horse that I know, all things considered is going. My horse runs his eyeballs out, is clearly going and gets nipped at the wire by some 30/1 shot. Rather than get pissed off, I am compelled when I go home to look up this new arrival, do a comprehensive study and try to identify HOW in the hell he got his "piece of crap" to beat my horse.

It's a whacky game, and unless you're talking about the high allowance or stakes horses, those horses of lesser quality and price, to me, offer the value of the sport. If some of those cheap trainers don't win, they don't eat.



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Re: Data for Churchill Downs (500 Views) TGJB 05/16/2022 12:12AM
Re: Data for Churchill Downs (332 Views) smalltimer 05/16/2022 03:36PM
Re: Data for Churchill Downs (304 Views) TreadHead 05/16/2022 04:01PM
Re: Data for Churchill Downs (298 Views) smalltimer 05/16/2022 04:17PM
Re: Data for Churchill Downs (325 Views) bluechip21 05/16/2022 07:02PM
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