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Re: I am not Ethel Mertz (425 Views)
Posted by: SoCalMan2 (IP Logged)
Date: February 08, 2005 03:06AM

Dear Mall,

The Ethel Mertz line on this board came about the following way (my memory may be off on a few details).

1) I posted on this board noting that there were some unusual discrepancies between the figures of the two companies for the BC Cup races (particularly, the sprint and the distaff).

2) My post was met with a little bit of suspicion here and people were speculating as to who I might be.

3) In one of the post's, somebody asked if I was somebody named Marc.

4) I said I was not Marc (not knowing who Marc is or was).

5) On the other board, a person congratulated this Marc suggesting that he should be proud that I went out of my way to say I was not him and suggested that my disassociation was loaded with some meaning of one sort or another.

6) On this board, I responded that my denial of being Marc had nothing to do with Marc whoever that might be (and I am still unsure who this Marc is, but I do have a question later on regarding this). I explained that the genius on the other board high fiving with his co-horts had neglected to read my entire post. Finally, to illustrate my point that I was not saying anything about this Marc who I did not know, I pointed out could also say I am not Ethel Mertz and it would be incorrect to draw any meaning regarding Ethel Mertz from such a denial.

7) I resurrected Ethel Mertz here because I thought it was funny and was playing with TGJB about saying I was a civilian (which Ethel Mertz would also presumeably be if she were alive and participating in these discussions).

That is the Ethel Mertz-on-the-sheetplaying-public-bulletin-board story.

Now, I have a question for all the people who play inside baseball here. Is the Marc I was accused of being the same Marc that had an episode with TGJB regarding people coming out of the woodwork and claiming credit for other people's triumphs with scant basis? Recall, that Marc was congratulated by all the TGJB bashers for really rattling TGJB. If it is the same guy, I wonder if this Marc can read sheets and thinks that Musique Toujuors was a good claim (AT THE TIME THE CLAIM DECISION WAS MADE) off the Ragozin Sheets. If this Marc is the guy who accuses people of jumping on bandwagons with little fair basis, then maybe he can explain why Musique Toujuours would not fit in this same category with the Ragozin Sheets claiming credit for the claim. This is especially the case in light of the statements in various publications suggesting that people other than the alleged Sheet customer were responsible for the claim. I have nothing against Ragozin, and I use their product. I just think that for some reason, people give Ragozin a bye and jump all over TGJB unfairly.

Also, I seem to recall somebody over on the other board asking me to point out areas where the two sheets come out differently. I think that looking at MT as a claim on November 20, 2003 is one very good example of where they really point in different directions. (And both of these sheets are available for free on the internet now). I will look for others and try to give one ahead of time before a race.




Subject Written By Posted
Various (682 Views) TGJB 02/02/2005 02:28PM
Re: Various (451 Views) Bull 02/03/2005 12:48AM
Re: Various (442 Views) 02/03/2005 12:13PM
Re: Various (422 Views) TGJB 02/03/2005 01:24PM
Re: Various (414 Views) Boscar Obarra 02/03/2005 04:42PM
Re: Various (455 Views) SoCalMan2 02/03/2005 06:36PM
Re: Various (415 Views) TGJB 02/03/2005 07:13PM
Don't make me laugh. (428 Views) Mall 02/03/2005 09:40PM
I am not Ethel Mertz (394 Views) SoCalMan2 02/04/2005 01:23AM
Re: I am not Ethel Mertz (463 Views) Mall 02/04/2005 02:32AM
Does Belichick use SHEETS (428 Views) Silver Charm 02/04/2005 03:28AM
Re: Does Belichick use SHEETS (586 Views) xichibanx 02/04/2005 09:25AM
Re: I am not Ethel Mertz (384 Views) Chuckles_the_Clown2 02/04/2005 04:41PM
a live link, I think. (444 Views) Mall 02/04/2005 07:08PM
Re: a live link, I think. (515 Views) Chuckles_the_Clown2 02/04/2005 08:28PM
Re: I am not Ethel Mertz (425 Views) SoCalMan2 02/08/2005 03:06AM
Re: I am not Ethel Mertz (437 Views) TGJB 02/08/2005 01:57PM
Re: I am not Ethel Mertz (431 Views) TGJB 02/04/2005 01:35PM
Re: I am not Ethel Mertz (394 Views) derby1592 02/04/2005 10:44PM
Re: I am not Ethel Mertz (440 Views) sabowen 02/04/2005 11:55PM
Re: I am not Ethel Mertz (431 Views) SoCalMan2 02/08/2005 03:25AM
Interesting Post and (436 Views) Chuckles_the_Clown2 02/08/2005 12:36PM
Re: I am not Ethel Mertz (440 Views) Mall 02/08/2005 05:46PM
Re: I am not Ethel Mertz (404 Views) TGJB 02/08/2005 05:53PM
Re: I am not Ethel Mertz (431 Views) Michael D. 02/08/2005 06:33PM
Re: I am not Ethel Mertz (462 Views) TGJB 02/08/2005 06:47PM
Re: I am not Ethel Mertz (408 Views) Chuckles_the_Clown2 02/08/2005 07:50PM
Re: I am not Ethel Mertz (426 Views) Mall 02/08/2005 07:31PM
Re: I am not Ethel Mertz (475 Views) SoCalMan2 02/09/2005 11:27AM
Re: I am not Ethel Mertz (428 Views) TGJB 02/09/2005 01:07PM


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