twoshoes,
Are you talking about S.Fur back in 2003?? I don't have the TG numbers for that, but Beyers had her running a 91 before BF got her and then ran a 104 and after that a 88-91-94-89......the wheels came off in the Alabama 03'???(maybe she ran in 04' I don't know ) she was 3rd by 7, Island Fashion won by 6 that day and then came back to get beat by 1/2 in the Gazelle. Before BF 7-3-1-2, after BF for the year 2003 5-2-0-2, again I'm not saying BF is not using anything I don't know, but my point is he gets alot of good horse, unlike others.
CTC, Look at BF derby wins, oh none and his BC win record not that good either, I know some will say well thats because he can't use the juice at those places ( bull ). Let's look at all BF horse's for the year 2003, that won atless a G3 or better
1. Aldebaran 2. Betty's Wish 3. Chiming
4. Continuously 5. Denon 6. Empire Maker.
7. Final Destination 8. Ghostzapper.
9. Heat Haze. 10. Lilac Queen 11. Medaglia d'oro 12. Megahertz 13. Midas Eyes 14. Milwaukee Brew 15. Peace Rules 16. Sea of Showers 17. Sightseek 18. Speak in Passing 19. Spoken Fur 20. Tates Creek 21. War Zone 22. Watchem Smokey 23. Wild Sprit 24. You....Any of these jump out at anyone, that might be a jucie hoss, jump up out of their skin?? What about the old horses of old......looking back at some of them, they held on to their form very well also. If there was some way to stop the jucie, you would see people like Jeff. M and Richard D. and others fall big time and the big trainers like BF and Todd P. would keep getting the good horses cause of their names. Thanks for all the input, this is a real good topic.