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one response and one only (1217 Views)
Posted by: Steve Plever (IP Logged)
Date: May 09, 2002 07:28PM

Against my better judgement (hope you enjoyed that one) I checked over here for the first time in eons out of surprise on the Elliot Walden thing just to get TG's side of it. (not that you believe me but who cares)

And I see my fans here are still ardent, and have posted some things that need clarification. This message is meant for the vast majority bb readers: reasonable TG users and interested others, not for the small but prolific attack pack -- I have no illusions about influencing their opinion, and have come not to place any value in their opinions.

Regardless of what JB says about Raggies, I would never say a bad word about the majority of TG users. As all but a few of you have the common sense to know, despite the way the feud is argued, the choice between TG & Rag is about a data product, not a lifestyle or moral code.

Anyway, here are my points. First, on Alydar: His quotes are correct. But an after-the-fact smile and 'thanks for defending us' from someone in the Rag office is not at all the same as a before-the-fact encouragement. Especially when, as Alydar concedes, those words were followed one of the next times I went to the office to buy Sheets by Jake's wise counsel that responding to the attacks was futile and that I should stop wasting my time. (Call me a dummy all you want but don't lay that label on Jake.)

So Jake is absolutely correct in calling Alydar a baldfaced liar for saying the Rag office encouraged me. Aldyar tried to present the image that I am part of a Rag office-directed conspiracy to create conflict on this board. Bull. I didn't bother seconding Jake's post because there was nothing else to say without breaking a bargain I had made with Alydar.

When I made the mistake of exchanging a few e-mails with Alydar, I mistakenly thought a private context would produce a more interesting, less hostile exchange. I hoped to learn more about him and give him a less jaundiced view of me. To facilitate that, I asked and he agreed that the e-mail contents would remain between us. I guess he has conveniently forgotten about that little promise.

I have nothing to hide (which is why everybody, including the anonymous hit men here, know my name) and the e-mails would probably bore everyone to tears, but we did have a deal, and as far as I'm concerned, still do. Never make a deal with someone who's wearing a mask.

As for HP, y'all can decide whether I'm totally off base, or whether he was guilty of sinking to Irwin's level by invoking the victims of 9/11 for no purpose other than to score points in the feud, and then sinking lower by words of violence.

I see HP was especially proud of having gotten away with a new secret identity from which to issue his on-line kicks to my teeth. Surely, he'll get a new bigger dagger badge at the next meeting of the attack pack. Alydar, with his demand for an apology from me, is clearly jealous. Congrats to HP. I stand exposed.

There you have it. Hope it wasn't too boring. I'm sure a few of you will be glad at this opportunity to put more pins in my voodoo doll. But Before you nail me for posting on this board this once, consider the deal made by Alydar. Regardless, I'm not going to bother reading or responding to the verbal lynching sure to follow, so enjoy the party without me. SP



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one response and one only (1217 Views) Steve Plever 05/09/2002 07:28PM
Re: one response and one only (854 Views) TGJB 05/09/2002 08:39PM
Re: one response and one only (811 Views) Alydar in California 05/10/2002 12:50AM
Re: one response and one only (841 Views) JR 05/10/2002 07:32PM
Re: one response and one only (859 Views) Alydar in California 05/10/2002 11:16PM
Re: one response and one only (820 Views) TGJB 05/10/2002 11:35PM
Re: one response and one only (826 Views) JR 05/10/2002 11:47PM
Re: one response and one only (882 Views) Alydar in California 05/10/2002 11:52PM
Re: one response and one only (855 Views) JR 05/10/2002 11:57PM
Re: one response and one only (875 Views) Alydar in California 05/11/2002 12:27AM
Re: one response and one only (815 Views) Mall 05/11/2002 12:50AM
Re: one response and one only (831 Views) Alydar in California 05/11/2002 01:07AM
Re: one response and one only (864 Views) Mall 05/12/2002 12:23AM
Re: one response and one only (870 Views) Alydar in California 05/12/2002 08:02AM
Re: one response and one only (887 Views) Mall 05/12/2002 03:26PM
Re: one response and one only (789 Views) JR 05/12/2002 03:26PM
Re: one response and one only (852 Views) TGJB 05/11/2002 04:07PM
Re: one response and one only (847 Views) JR 05/11/2002 05:33PM
Re: one response and one only (875 Views) TGJB 05/11/2002 08:07PM
For Plever Only (875 Views) Alydar in California 10/29/2002 06:28AM


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