"Of course, changes in runups will also have a dramatic effect on fractions (see Pimlico 6f fractions, where they have a 5 foot runup). But I'm sure those making pace figures are all getting race to race runups and accurate wind info."

I have no idea if they are or not. Maybe such precision is nice, but not necessary to achieve success, who knows? But like I said before, you can't argue with a substantial flat bet profit for four tracks that were posted betting EVERY race for nearly three months. You've avoided this twice, saying you didn't know what results I was talking about even after I told you where to find them.

Like I said before, I use both products, as I think they are both very good. And to be honest, many times they point to the same exact horses despite the differing methodologies. I know the $65 FG looked every bit as good from the pace guy that he did on the TG sheets. There is more than one way to skin a cat, some races you need a different knife. But to pretend pace can't be measured to produce solid results isn't necessarily true.