I wouldn't disagree with a single thing you said. Ground loss is huge. I always look at ground loss in relation to the clock. I don't have the resources to measure it as accurately as TG does, and I also believe that ground loss is much more detrimental on the first turn of a two turn route than it is on the second turn, but that is my personal belief, I'm not trying to make anyone agree or disagree.

That said, I'm a guy that pushes about between 8 and 10 grand through the windows each month. I get a 7% rebate, and am making about 8% on my bets, so around 15% overall. This is since Septmeber. I've spent the three years before that making around 10% with no rebate. I think those three years MAY have gotten me even for life, but I really don't know. I'm playing 2, 3, and sometimes 4 tracks a day, 5 days a week. I don't bet enough money to justify using TG sheets all the time, its too costly for my betting level. I do buy them on the big days, because I bet more due to pool size and field sizes.

So, all that said, I will never knock TG numbers. They are great, no doubt in my mind the best around. But I also KNOW there is more than one way to skin a cat. This is a hobby for me, not my way to earn a living, and I enjoy doing my own work at least as much as I do the betting. Ask my wife, I drive her crazy sometimes, she thinks my laptop is permanantly attached to my thighs. I'd probably do it even if I was breaking even or losing a little. I do like coming here and lending a different perspective on things from time to time, but it doesn't mean I don't respect and admire the product here.