Gowand, that was not my prime bet. I only saved on it. It cost 48 dollars, which was acceptable for the return. The problem was that wasn't my only bet. I thought only one of three horses could win. Closing Argument, Consolidator or Bandini and favored them in that order. I'll concede to not having a firm theory on the race.

In hindsight the race spacing and foot issue I didn't hold against Closing Argument, due to previous spacing, appears to have worked against him. I think he regressed and I played him to run a 2 or better. Consolidator was a complete enigma. Why he couldn't move into those fractions (they were hot) is beyond me. I didn't hold the breezing works against him, but perhaps as stated here they were too fast. He liked the track, maybe he bounced.

As far as Bandini goes, He was coming on against High Fly in the prior. He was progressing on pattern. But there were pace and positioning factors in the Bluegrass as well and he was well drawn for the day in question. He caught a lot of breaks that race and you're right 3-1 wasn't a very good price, but he figured to move into the 2 range as well and may have exceeded that. At least with Bandini and Afleet Alex you know their numbers are legit.

CtC

jimbo66 wrote:

> Spa,
>
> I have no idea what you are even talking about. The "BIG" bet?
> "Superfecta Bomb"?

Spa, jimbo66 is old and he obviously has selective memory and alzheimers. I'm pretty sure the 66 refers to his age. Now that 66 is all that old for some folks. I've seen older than that able to make mincemeat outta young handicappers.

> Chuckles posts are pathetic and the track record is there. He
> mentions 2 "key" horses, neither runs, then he posts after the
> race that he won.

Actually Chuckles the Magnificent Clown mentioned 3 key horses. One that made him very leary, which he said he would cover with. With Alzheimers the victim many times omits things.

>The La Derby he hated High Limit, never
> mentioned Vicarage, but then had the exacta later.

Once again, theres some distortion here. Chuckles the Magnificent Clown had an evolving position on the La.Derby as the chronological posts below indicate:

Author: Chuckles_the_Clown2
Date: 03-11-05 14:01

The outside here may not be quite as much of an impediment as first appears. K.C. Boy in all likelihood isn't gonna change his running style, especially off that last workout, so blinkers or no blinkers if he's not engaged early I'll be very surprised.

Personally I think the scratch/ship was a significant mistake. He obviously likes the Fair Grounds, but I'm not entirely sure he wasn't relishing Hallandale. He'd already beaten the horse that won the FOY and the end of the line comes awful quick for these guys this time of year. I'd have sought the Grade II black type there. The reason he's been competitive to my eye is that he's saved ground his last three races. Add the weight, wide and diminished distance and long stretch (which means tight turns by the way) and this is a horse I'd be very leary of at short odds and I think thats what you're gonna get.


Author: Chuckles_the_Clown2
Date: 03-11-05 18:39

Wow,

He's much faster on TFigs than anything else.

Interesting.

I don't know, if I was a devout TFig user, I think I'd have to look real hard at High Limit. Those TFig may have me off the race...lol

Author: Chuckles_the_Clown2
Date: 03-12-05 13:07

...

Last night, I read the most ridiculous statement from Frankel and its still got me scratching my head. Frankel got High Limit in November and was pointing him to the Hollywood Futurity but he was off for some reason. But what Frankel just said is that he just looked at High Limits past performances a couple days ago and didn't realize he goes to the front. Does anyone believe that? If its true hasn't he been awfully disengaged with this horse? This same story said they dont know what they have. Well, either thats true or they are really tellin a whopper for some reason. Why tell a whopper? To play coy about stealing off quickly? I'm intrigued with what trainers say and why the heck they say it and its got nothing to do with the truth of what is said. This time, I have no freakin idea what these guys may or may not be doing.

Author: Chuckles_the_Clown2
Date: 03-12-05 14:46

Yeah, I tend to agree with you Allan...I think he intends to put everyones guard down and try and wire this one. This is a go go horse. I think hes gonna get the lead and its gonna a question of how hard K.C. Boy wants to go after it. I think Bailey will get a bit more out of Storm Surge but he'll make his move later if hes able to.

The closers success will obviously depend upon the pace and how the track is playing. Scipion doesnt have to win here for his effort to be progressive and I'm not projecting a bounce. If Frankels horse runs a 2 or 3 with the ground saving issue, he figures to be very tough. I'll be surprised if hes more than about 3-2.

Author: Chuckles_the_Clown2
Date: 03-12-05 16:36

...

The Frankel horse had a lot go his way. The pace looked marginal to me, but it half figured to. The track was quick and the come from behinds were compromised and didn't fire. They ran 1-2-3 around the track on those tepid fractions.

Which is not to say this might not be a good horse.



Now CtMC did not come right out and say "Im betting High Limit" Thats certainly true. But as you can see he wasn't high on K.C.Boy, Storm Surge and questioned Scipions ability to close in the race. I believe TGraph gave High Limit a 1 on the race and as high as a 3 would have won it for him since he was clear by 4 lengths. CtMC is not very bright.

> Today in
> the BlueGrass he criticized High Limit again,

Yes, this is true CtMC was convinced High Limit could not win the Bluegrass and went two deep with a saver. Mr. Alzheimers got this correct.

> Chuckles claims to have hit about 12 of the last 15 Kentucky Derbies.

Actually its 6 and they have come in groups of three. The last three picked on this board. If I never win another Derby I'm going to die a winner on that race.


> This is a board for adults and handicapping discussions, at
> least as far as I know. Not for guys who have nothing in their
> lives going for them so they claim after every race that they
> hit and cashed.

Actually jimbo I've had a very full life, but am touched by your concern..thank you.

> You know what Chuckles (and Spa), if it makes you feel better,
> I believe both of you hit every race no matter what you say on
> this board. Maybe both of you are posting "false comments" in
> hopes of getting better prices.

jimbo, lay down and tell us about your mother.

> And I was breast fed as a baby, Spa, thanks for asking.

now we're gettin somewhere.



Post Edited (04-17-05 14:19)