M3,

Again I keep reading that you don't believe in the figure's,figuremaking,etc. I don't know who you are, but based on your post you must have worked for equibase or DRF in some fashion (i'm excluding the competitors product for now). This whole business as far as I can tell is not an exact science (not due to a lack of trying on the part of the TG team). They have never said it was. I don't buy the product with the expectation of 100% perfection. We all know the DRF has mistakes, Equibase has mistakes, Beyer makes mistakes and so does RAG.

It is my position that it is the most accurate product on the market. Many times I'vr gone back over the card with my sheets and only curse myself as to why I didn't see the pattern. The are not afraid to take a stand. They are willing to revisit races and figures unlike others in the business. The are ever willing to talk to you when you have a legit question or issue with the data.

So who the hell are you anyway? You not telling anyone of us something we all don't already know. The horses who ran in the LA Derby are not Grade I stock. It was a grade II race anyway of young 3 yo's with one lone speed. Who cares if none come back to win. The horse ran a 1 that day without any up front pressure. So fugeddabout it already, use the info to your advantage.Why not bring some real examples to support your position? What was wrong with 2004 seminar comment? It's worth noting to look at how the horses handled the heat? Did any of them wash out? It's happened in prior BC in Florida. None of the East Coast horses that year(03) held up to the CA heat in but the Euro's did. You used the Euro's to support your case. How does any of that prove your point? Contructive criticism is good for the product,(i think) but what your doing just takes up space.

For what it's worth High Limit beat Sun King in the Blue Grass and Sun King came back to run a game race in the Haskell. Are you sure the FIGs don't fit?

And for every negative point you've made so far I've read hundreds of favorable posts to the contrary

Hiding behind you screen name and taking shots at the TG team make you a big man in your own mind. It's clear to me you've got an axe to grind, so come clean with the rest of us!!

NC Tony