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Hey, I Gotta Coupla Questions (1503 Views)
Posted by: TGJB (IP Logged)
Date: June 07, 2002 05:34PM

As Alydar and I have explained, you can't artificially make figures come out in a tight range without either retroactively changing earlier figures, or screwing with the relationships within races. So, I was thinking--Friedman and Ragozin are on record as saying they sometimes go back to change an earlier figure (sometimes a whole day) based upon what the horses do later. Now,

1. I'm on record as being against it--I can only recall doing it twice in 10 years or so. As I have mentioned before, it becomes a self fulfilling prophecy.

2. First question--what's the "scientific basis" for the change or the decision in general to base the figures on later figures?

3. What's the reason for doing it? Okay, I'll help with that one--to get it right, as defined by HAVING THE FIGURES FIT WITH OTHER FIGURES THE HORSES HAVE RUN. In other words, to make the figures fit in a tight range, like we have. The measure of accuracy for all figure makers (including Ragozin) is that tight range--if your figures are dovetailing, you know with confidence you're there, and even if you blow an individual race or day (we all do) the overall accuracy of your database will keep you from going off the rails (losing a circuit vs. other circuits, routes vs. sprints etc.).

Listen--all these rules Ragozin has? He didn't have them when I was there, when he did all the hard numbers himself--he used his judgement. He instituted rules based on averages (or averages of his judgement, which is even wilder) when other people began doing most of the hard numbers, because he didn't trust their judgement (or anyone else's). Which is not to say that even in the old days he didn't tie together independent events, he did--but no "rules", no "science".



TGJB



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Hey, I Gotta Coupla Questions (1503 Views) TGJB 06/07/2002 05:34PM
Re: Hey, I Gotta Coupla Questions (920 Views) nunzio 06/07/2002 06:04PM
Re: Hey, I Gotta Coupla Questions (966 Views) Jason L. 06/07/2002 06:33PM
Re: Hey, I Gotta Coupla Questions (956 Views) nunzio 06/07/2002 07:12PM
Re: Hey, I Gotta Coupla Questions (1005 Views) TGJB 06/07/2002 07:27PM
Re: Hey, I Gotta Coupla Questions (923 Views) Alydar in California 06/10/2002 05:12AM
Re: Hey, I Gotta Coupla Questions (999 Views) TGJB 06/10/2002 04:39PM
Re: Hey, I Gotta Coupla Questions (923 Views) Jason L. 06/10/2002 05:38PM
Re: Hey, I Gotta Coupla Questions (937 Views) TGJB 06/10/2002 07:00PM
Re: Hey, I Gotta Coupla Questions (923 Views) Jason L. 06/10/2002 07:26PM
Re: Hey, I Gotta Coupla Questions (983 Views) TGJB 06/10/2002 08:46PM
here's what I can't understand (955 Views) superfreakicus 06/11/2002 05:11AM
Re: here's what I can't understand (911 Views) TGJB 06/11/2002 04:15PM


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