Your Ask The Experts ID
is separate from your
Order Online Account ID
 Race of the Week:  2024 Kentucky Oaks/Derby Days Final Figures Churchill Downs May 3 & May 4, 2024 
Order Online
Buy TG Data
Complete Menu of
TG Data products
Simulcast Books
Customize a Value
Package of Select
TG Data
Sheet Requests
Order The Last Figure for Any Horse
Free Products
Redboard Room
Download and Review previous days' data.
Race of the Week
With detailed comments
ThoroTrack
Email notification when your horse races
Information
Introduction
For newcomers.
Samples and Tutorials
For Horsemen
Consulting services and Graph Racing
Sales Sites
Where to buy TG around the country
Archives
Historical races and handicapping articles
Handicapping
Hall of Fame
Major handicapping contest winners
Home Page
Andy Beyer, Polytracks and the Santa Anita Handicap (3151 Views)
Posted by: Chuckles_the_Clown2 (IP Logged)
Date: February 28, 2006 09:02PM

Andy Beyer is a very methodical handicapper. He really settles into his method and in this day and age it hog ties him. It worked for him 30 years ago. But its the 21st century now and things have changed. I really hope he picks a Derby winner. I know he's dying to come up with one. Who knows, maybe once he figures out how to pick one, they'll start coming in droves.

As far as polytrack goes, can anyone imagine it at Saratoga or Del Mar? Or Belmont or Santa Anita? I agree with Andy, there is a great deal of handicapping expertise that goes into the surface. I really don't want to see all tracks have the exact same "consistency". It might take some of the edge away from those that watch/study tracks closely.

Is polytrack really safer? It would seem prudent to give it at least a decade to be exposed to the elements and deteriorate before we all jump to the conclusion its safer than traditional tracks. In fact 20 years might be a more fitting test. After it has existed for a generation, we can begin to discuss installing it at Racings Mecca.

The Santa Anita Handicap approaches. Early word is that High Limit will be the morning line favorite. If High Limit ran a negative 1 or better in the Strub, he should be a very big factor. (Though I believe Lava Man has earned faster figures.) Theres always the probability that High Limit did run a negative 1. Though if he did I'm currently inclined to believe that "Bob and John" ran a fast figure also. Then again, High Limit could bounce off a Negative 1. If he finishes 3rd or 4th beaten five lengths what will they say? "He bounced" I suppose. I guess we'll have to wait and see before we propose conclusions.

bobphilo Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------
> I have mixed feelings on Andy Beyer for a number
> of reasons. Yes he is one of the pioneers of
> explaining speed figures to the general public and
> his excellent books have been a real boon to
> handicappers by explaining his methodology. On the
> other hand, he is one of the worst handicappers in
> the country and is notorious for his long list of
> losing Derby picks threw out the years.
> His columns are usually insightful and
> entertaining reading but in his article on
> Polytrack he has made a perfect ass of himself. He
> admits that Polytrack is a superior racing
> surfaced praised by trainers, jockeys (and the
> horses if they could talk) because it is safer and
> offers a much fairer surface. The number of
> serious breakdowns has dropped dramatically at
> Turfway since it's installation. Unfair post
> position advantages and dead or live rails are
> gone and neither closers nor pacesetters have an
> unfair edge.
> Beyer finds this boring and claims it makes it too
> easy to pick winners. Quite frankly, Andy needs
> all the help he can get in that area. There will
> still be plenty of variables left and handicapping
> will remain a huge intellectual challenge. Mr.
> Beyer is afraid the game will become boring. Yeah,
> there’s nothing like seeing horses breakdown in
> front of your eyes to make the sport exciting,
> right Andy?
>
>
>
> Bob
>





Subject Written By Posted
Beyer on Polytrack (1049 Views) bobphilo 02/28/2006 02:11PM
Re: Beyer on Polytrack (714 Views) HP 02/28/2006 02:27PM
Re: Beyer on Polytrack (645 Views) asfufh 02/28/2006 02:55PM
Re: Beyer on Polytrack (675 Views) HP 02/28/2006 03:21PM
Re: Beyer on Polytrack (626 Views) bobphilo 02/28/2006 03:25PM
Re: Beyer on Polytrack (602 Views) asfufh 02/28/2006 04:07PM
Re: Beyer on Polytrack (623 Views) bobphilo 02/28/2006 04:44PM
Polytrack Maintenance (609 Views) BitPlayer 02/28/2006 05:01PM
Re: Polytrack Maintenance (690 Views) P.Eckhart 02/28/2006 05:25PM
Re: Beyer on Polytrack (568 Views) Ron G. 02/28/2006 07:23PM
Re: Beyer on Polytrack (571 Views) bobphilo 02/28/2006 03:14PM
Re: Beyer on Polytrack (628 Views) HP 02/28/2006 03:23PM
Re: Beyer on Polytrack (663 Views) bobphilo 02/28/2006 03:30PM
Andy Beyer, Polytracks and the Santa Anita Handicap (3151 Views) Chuckles_the_Clown2 02/28/2006 09:02PM
Re: Andy Beyer, Polytracks and the Santa Anita Handicap (573 Views) bobphilo 02/28/2006 10:14PM
Re: Andy Beyer, Polytracks and the Santa Anita Handicap (649 Views) sighthound 02/28/2006 10:22PM
Re: Andy Beyer, Polytracks and the Santa Anita Handicap (576 Views) bobphilo 02/28/2006 10:59PM
Re: Andy Beyer, Polytracks and the Santa Anita Handicap (573 Views) richiebee 03/01/2006 12:03AM
Re: Andy Beyer, Polytracks and the Santa Anita Handicap (581 Views) bobphilo 03/01/2006 01:29AM
Re: Andy Beyer, Polytracks and the Santa Anita Handicap (568 Views) bobphilo 03/01/2006 02:19AM
Re: Andy Beyer, Polytracks and the Santa Anita Handicap (604 Views) Chuckles_the_Clown2 02/28/2006 11:56PM


Sorry, only registered users may post in this forum.
This forum powered by Phorum.

Thoro-Graph 180 Varick Street New York, NY 10014 ---- Click here for the Ask The Experts Archives.