CTC-- I deleted those posts because they were obnoxious and had no other content. Knock it off. And knock off the unnecessary obnoxious charaterizations, even if there is content on the post. It annoys me, it annoys others, and I'm going to be deleting the posts when I see them. The whole posts.

You commenting on Beyer making figures is like a guy in a bar commenting on Bill Parcells coaching. It has exactly the same weight. You don't have the scouting reports, haven't looked at game film, don't have the experience, etc. He and I may or may not get some wrong, but there are more things on heaven and figure making than are dreamt of in your philosophy.

Haven't done the Haw day yet, but once you factor in ground loss, Andy has the relationship between the Wood and the SA Derby close to right. That's the RELATIONSHIP between THOSE TWO-- I'm not commenting on the absolute figures or their relationship with other races.

By the way, someone listed some BRIS figures here the other day. I never looked at them before, but Thoroughbred Daily News has started running a weekly ad with the top stakes BRIS figures every week, and I took a look at the last couple of weeks. They are terrible-- simply awful. I suspect they use some automated means to make them, but regardless, some are WAY off.

Miff-- please. For the hundreth time, I don't use the grade of the race to make figures, not the way you mean. (Stake horses do run a higher percentage of good numbers, something we find, rather than assume. But we do NOT give out faster numbers because a race is a GI). We do the figures off the horses in the race, especially when there is weather, and only one two turn race-- it would be crazy to make any correlations about connecting it with any other races. (Hmmm... anybody want to ask Len how they did it)?

For the record, the Wood was a snap. The entire range of possibilities was half a point. I'll think about posting it, but I really don't like giving out all this info.

Believe it or not, the SA race was much tougher, mostly due to the small field.