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Re: Andy Beyer on Triple Crown Spacing (541 Views)
Posted by: Chuckles_the_Clown2 (IP Logged)
Date: May 24, 2006 07:20PM

gambler Wrote:
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> If the brush fits...
>
> You and everyone else are being lied to on a daily
> basis by a corporate-owned media with interests to
> protect which are not necessarily your interests.
> They know that all they have to do is feed their
> swill to a beer-drinking TV-watching uneducated
> ignorant mouth-breathing knuckle-dragging moronic
> American Idol worshipping public. If they see it
> on TV or the newspaper they'll believe anything
> without question. Wasn't it just last week that
> Beyer was proclaiming Barbaro as a certain triple
> crown winner, in order to hype up the Preakness
> and the racing industry?

Interesting posts Gambler. Have to agree that American racing is in trouble. Taking the wrong action could wound it more. Your commentary upon Kelso running 2 miles under 130 made my heart palpitate. Thats precisely where the industry needs to go to get well.

Andy Beyer certainly speaks carefully to protect his interests. There may be a little more to his proclamations though. You have to remember he picked A.P. Warrior in the Derby. Its like that every year with him. He selects no chance horses. Beyer just got overly enamored with Barbaro's open daylight win is all. It never occurs to him that fractions, wide and path variation can impact beaten lengths. Hes all about final adjusted time is all and he completely dismisses Regression. Adjusted speed figures are his gig and he makes some errors off it.

The issue thats important to emphasize is that the time between races theory, isn't so much to get horses through the Triple Crown as to get Top Efforts out of them. The theory is more time to recuperate and toss a really big effort to take down a big race. Winning the big race in really fast time is more important in this theory than racing a horse into form. The "time off" folks think "Why waste a race...lets point our horse for big winning efforts." They really are not concerned with using races to build foundation and thats the issue with them. To a great extent Tgraph is responsible for this notion and personally its my belief they have had an insidious effect on the breed with it. Running big but running abbreviated careers. Quite a few of the big trainers have latched onto this modus operandi. All you have to do is look at the Preakness skippers coming back. These are the guys that are helping weaken the breed.

we can elaborate upon this later, but the best horses are still the horses with the constitution and foundation to run often and come back quickly. Those are the horses you want to lead the breed into the coming generations. A bona fide Triple Crown winner or one that came close is the way to go. You don't want to breed to faint hearted horses nursed along until they Rice Krispy. Snap, Crackle, Pop



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