According to Formulator his win percentage and ROI over the last 5 years for all horses started is almost identical to his record when horses are switched to his barn for the first time.

With some extra time (that I don't have) I could make a list of the horses, but I don't think it's necessary. Most of the obvious "move up" trainers have better records with barn switches. I also can't recall all that many shocking results off barn switches to him.

I certainly don't bet him "first time" expecting anything special the way I do with several other prominent NY trainers.