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Re: AGS wins on Wednesday - To Uncle Buck (526 Views)
Posted by: Chuckles_the_Clown2 (IP Logged)
Date: July 05, 2007 07:14AM

Congrats, you called that one pretty much right on. I think even to the point of the negative figure.

jimbo66 Wrote:
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> Buck,
>
> Respect your opinion also, and certainly not
> gloating at an 8-5 shot winning. (it takes 8-1 for
> me to gloat).
>
> But you bring up an interesting topic in your
> post. I think we can agree that reading the
> thorographs is about figuring out what a horse CAN
> run that day, not HAS RUN IN THE PAST. The topic
> that you don't specifically mention, but your
> comment reminds me of, is "what odds do you need
> to have on a horse, if you need the horse to run a
> new top to win". The Dwyer was a bad betting race
> because of the 5 horse field, but you can look at
> it. Even though it probably didn't happen based
> on the result, you can make a case that expecting
> a new top out of Sightseeing was reasonable. The
> problem I would have with him is that he starts
> out 2 points slower than another horse in the race
> and gets no weight and was seemingly unlikely to
> get a significant ground loss edge. Unless you
> were betting Any Given Saturday to regress off the
> 8 week freshening, which seemed unlikely given
> Pletcher's stats off this kind of layoff, you are
> hoping for a 2 point new top or better and looking
> for 3-1. Hopefully for you, you were disciplined
> enough to lay off the race when he went off at
> only 5-2.
>
> Betting horses with form (not 2 year olds or early
> spring 3 year olds), I am usually looking for 5-1
> or better when I know I very likely need my horse
> to run a new top to win the race. It isn't an
> ironclad rule for and you have to adjust for small
> fields somewhat, like today, but curious as to
> what other bettors think about this.



Subject Written By Posted
Dwyer Stakes (925 Views) Uncle Buck 07/03/2007 10:26PM
Re: Any Given Saturday wins on Wednesday (688 Views) jimbo66 07/03/2007 11:09PM
Re: Any Given Saturday wins on Wednesday (620 Views) Chuckles_the_Clown2 07/04/2007 08:02AM
Re: Any Given Saturday wins on Wednesday (583 Views) Uncle Buck 07/04/2007 12:51PM
Re: Any Given Saturday wins on Wednesday (577 Views) marcus 07/04/2007 01:37PM
Re: Any Given Saturday wins on Wednesday (559 Views) Michael D. 07/04/2007 04:28PM
Re: AGS wins on Wednesday - To Uncle Buck (555 Views) jimbo66 07/04/2007 10:35PM
Re: AGS wins on Wednesday - To Uncle Buck (501 Views) Uncle Buck 07/05/2007 01:01AM
Re: AGS wins on Wednesday - To Uncle Buck (526 Views) Chuckles_the_Clown2 07/05/2007 07:14AM
Re: AGS wins on Wednesday - To Uncle Buck (545 Views) Michael D. 07/05/2007 11:37AM
Re: AGS wins on Wednesday - To Uncle Buck (486 Views) jimbo66 07/05/2007 11:48AM
Re: AGS wins on Wednesday - To Uncle Buck (491 Views) coachbowlin 07/05/2007 03:00PM
Re: AGS wins on Wednesday - To Uncle Buck (504 Views) ronwar 07/05/2007 09:55PM
Re: AGS wins on Wednesday - To Uncle Buck (475 Views) davidrex 07/06/2007 01:37PM
Re: AGS wins on Wednesday - To Uncle Buck (556 Views) richiebee 07/05/2007 04:37PM
Re: AGS wins on Wednesday - To Uncle Buck (469 Views) gowand 07/06/2007 12:18PM
Re: AGS wins on Wednesday - To Uncle Buck (456 Views) richiebee 07/06/2007 01:06PM
Companyhator (547 Views) Chuckles_the_Clown2 07/06/2007 09:53PM
Re: Companyhator (491 Views) Michael D. 07/06/2007 10:46PM
Re: Companyhator (452 Views) Chuckles_the_Clown2 07/07/2007 08:40AM
Re: Any Given Saturday wins on Wednesday (572 Views) Michael D. 07/04/2007 05:25PM
Re: Any Given Saturday wins on Wednesday (518 Views) jimbo66 07/04/2007 09:48PM


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