The exact words of an ex-trainer who watched & studied his races & his only daylight workout, where he pulled up as soon as he hit the finish line, something which Amoss also saw as a negative. And this was coming from someone whose opinion I have relied on successfully on many occasions, as he has talked me off of great number/pattern horses which had cracked hooves, were out of shape, were "gutted" from their last race,etc. The fact that Lukas did all but one work in the dark & then simply reported the times to the CD Clockers didn't make sense, as Orientate figured to be a very short price & why would he conceal the works to bump the price from 7/5 to 8/5? However, the rumors that the horse had a problem in his left front was communicated to me by one of the few drf handicappers' opinions I respect, & one member of our syndicate who was also in Chicago said that the rumors had taken on a life of their own. Then there was the fact that the horse was coming in off the longest layoff of any horse that Lukas ever started in a BC race, & he has a long history of trying to squeeze one more race out of a horse which is, as the pattern experts say, over the top. The case I made against the horse had nothing to do with the pattern, as it appeared to me that he would win if he ran his race, & could be seen as an overlay at the final odds. As it turned out, Orientate ended up going off at 5/2 in a US pool of approx $4.1 million & as high as 7-1 with Euro bookmakers, & I'm left wondering if the allegedly financially strapped DWayne made a score which rivals the one made by Mr Single from Baltimore without breaking any laws & busted our pk6 tix in the process.