This year there are some differences between TG and some other figures involving Derby probables.

We have the Sunland Derby slower than Beyer. I broke the race out (the only one at that distance), and will review it, but it's unlikely enough will run back before the Derby to form a strong opinion.

We have the SA Derby slower than Beyer. First of all our timing had it about 4/5 slower (two different clockers), but regardless the race fits very tight on figures the way I did it. CC went back slightly, but it's clearly "h?", and essentially a pair.

I haven't seen Ragozin (Jake? Ken Sherman?) yet, but can tell you without looking that their pattern on CC will be much different because of their SoCal sprint/route issues. This is really quite something, and they only get away with it because their clientele knows so little about figures. Any basic distance analysis-- the kind done by every single figure maker-- would tell them they are 3-4 points out of whack. Since I've been talking about this here for a decade they must have done one, and their refusal to fix the problem can only be because they don't want to admit a mistake, rationalized somehow.

There are undoubtedly other differences as well. It's an interesting year.