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Re: Always Dreaming (1207 Views)
Posted by: T Severini (IP Logged)
Date: May 09, 2017 07:29AM

jimbo66 Wrote:
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> First off, congrats to Furious Pete and a few
> others that liked Always Dreaming. Personally,
> couldn't have been more wrong about the race.
> Hated Always Dreaming and loved Practical Joke and
> Irish War Cry. The latter was horrendous and the
> former was just OK (got a ride I could not have
> expected from post 19 - in a good way, and still
> was relatively empty).

Its so hard for me to correct my insights after a run on a surface like that. Rather, having a 3 run horse second and a 6 horse run third the inclination is to ask how did the surface allow them to place like that? Furthermore the number of Negative Number horses was winnowed down this year and some had reasons to not run their race and horses like Lookin at Lee looked to improve too.

>
> Despite Treadhead and Jerry apparently not
> noticing, the rail was iron for almost the two
> full days. And as is the case with iron rails,
> speed was really good as well.

By the 12th on Saturday it was the place to be.


>
> That said, hard to say how much that helped AD as
> he set a "plus" pace, put away a horse up front
> that wasn't any good (stately honor), then put
> away the fastest horse in the race (Irish War Cry)
> and was drawing away in the stretch. While speed
> and the rail were good, the visual on the derby
> wasn't one of a bias win. Bias aided wins look
> like Big World and Benner Island on Friday and
> CAviar Czar on Saturday. Where the front runner
> looks like they will be swallowed on the turn and
> through most of the stretch but they miraculously
> "keep finding".
>
> This horse was extremely good, bias or not. I,
> for one, am not salivating to bet against (or on)
> him in 2 weeks in the Preakness. Part of that is
> that exactly who ran well enough yesterday to give
> a mulligan to? Maybe Classic Empire, off a
> terrible trip? Not lookin at lee, who never left
> a gold rail (great ride).
>
> TGJB, as for the figure. there were 8 lengths
> between the winner and the third place finisher.
> I can't imagine this is going to be a slow figure.
> Or a backwards move as JP702006 suggests. What,
> every horse then X'ed? Literally every one.
>
> How about another view. The Bluegrass being as
> fast as TG had it, meant a couple of key things.
> It meant McCracken was sitting on a nice forward
> move, perhaps the most likely horse to run well,
> it meant Practical Joke had a forward moving line
> with moderate steps and looked great as well.
> Well, make the Bluegrass two points slower, which
> is not out of line, all of a sudden McCracken and
> Practical Joke are both moving backwards, not
> forwards, Classic Empire still hasn't gotten to
> his 2 year old top and with Irish War Cry sitting
> on a possible bounce, all the "fast horses" maybe
> don't run. (which happened.)

Add to that a 12th race surface punishing certain running styles and rewarding others.


> Not sour grapes, just a thought.

Now the barn is calling him the second coming of Sliced Bread, but what about the Super Saver Derby? Always Dreaming certainly ran hard and with two weeks til the next on an advanced 3YO campaign could fall off if someone is there good enough.

> Jim



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Always Dreaming (2384 Views) FrankD. 05/06/2017 09:58PM
Re: Always Dreaming (1787 Views) TGJB 05/06/2017 11:09PM
Re: Always Dreaming (1405 Views) jp702006 05/06/2017 11:27PM
Re: Always Dreaming (1678 Views) jimbo66 05/07/2017 08:16AM
Re: Always Dreaming (1376 Views) jbelfior 05/07/2017 08:41AM
Re: Always Dreaming (1367 Views) TreadHead 05/07/2017 08:58AM
Re: Always Dreaming (1257 Views) Leamas57 05/07/2017 09:22AM
Re: Always Dreaming (1101 Views) albatross 05/07/2017 09:41AM
Re: Always Dreaming (1333 Views) jimbo66 05/07/2017 10:04AM
Re: Always Dreaming (1140 Views) jerry 05/07/2017 10:05AM
Re: Always Dreaming (1164 Views) ajkreider 05/07/2017 10:52AM
Re: Always Dreaming (1455 Views) bellsbendboy 05/07/2017 01:08PM
Re: Always Dreaming (1414 Views) TGJB 05/07/2017 02:58PM
Re: Always Dreaming (1086 Views) bellsbendboy 05/08/2017 10:28PM
Re: Always Dreaming (1093 Views) hellersorr 05/09/2017 12:29AM
Re: Always Dreaming (1162 Views) TGJB 05/09/2017 12:47AM
Re: Always Dreaming (1009 Views) FrankD. 05/09/2017 06:15AM
Re: Always Dreaming (1108 Views) richiebee 05/09/2017 08:38AM
Re: Always Dreaming (1031 Views) Furious Pete 05/09/2017 11:40AM
Re: Always Dreaming (1134 Views) FrankD. 05/09/2017 07:47PM
Re: Always Dreaming (1143 Views) big18741 05/07/2017 09:29AM
Re: Always Dreaming (1528 Views) FrankD. 05/07/2017 09:08AM
Re: Always Dreaming (1099 Views) belmont3 05/07/2017 10:23AM
Re: Always Dreaming (1160 Views) FrankD. 05/07/2017 11:18AM
Re: Always Dreaming (1311 Views) belmont3 05/07/2017 11:54AM
Re: Always Dreaming (1206 Views) Fairmount1 05/07/2017 02:35PM
Re: Always Dreaming (974 Views) boardedup 05/09/2017 02:48PM
Re: Always Dreaming (966 Views) Airnate012 05/09/2017 03:06PM
Re: Always Dreaming (984 Views) boardedup 05/09/2017 03:19PM
Re: Always Dreaming (1011 Views) Niall 05/09/2017 03:28PM
Re: Always Dreaming (1019 Views) Michael D. 05/09/2017 03:40PM
Re: Always Dreaming (1209 Views) Tavasco 05/09/2017 04:41PM
Re: Always Dreaming (1045 Views) TGJB 05/09/2017 05:57PM
Re: Always Dreaming (1041 Views) Tavasco 05/09/2017 07:00PM
Re: Always Dreaming (945 Views) TempletonPeck 05/09/2017 06:54PM
Re: Always Dreaming (1049 Views) boardedup 05/09/2017 10:07PM
Re: Always Dreaming (1090 Views) moosepalm 05/09/2017 10:46PM
Re: Always Dreaming (1014 Views) boardedup 05/10/2017 10:13AM
Re: Always Dreaming (1026 Views) Rich Curtis 05/10/2017 11:57AM
Re: Always Dreaming (1026 Views) TGJB 05/10/2017 12:48PM
Re: Always Dreaming (1131 Views) Furious Pete 05/10/2017 02:00PM
Re: Always Dreaming (1097 Views) TGJB 05/10/2017 02:08PM
Re: Always Dreaming (1061 Views) Furious Pete 05/10/2017 02:21PM
Re: Always Dreaming (996 Views) TGJB 05/10/2017 02:30PM
Re: Always Dreaming (1159 Views) Furious Pete 05/10/2017 02:32PM
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Re: Always Dreaming (1040 Views) trwhis2 05/09/2017 11:16PM
Re: Always Dreaming (898 Views) hellersorr 05/10/2017 04:09PM
Re: Always Dreaming (1194 Views) jerry 05/07/2017 09:54AM
Re: Always Dreaming (1184 Views) T Severini 05/07/2017 06:49PM
Re: Always Dreaming (1272 Views) Furious Pete 05/07/2017 11:04AM
Re: Sheets Players (1256 Views) BitPlayer 05/07/2017 01:02PM
Bodemeister (1309 Views) T Severini 05/07/2017 05:47PM
Re: Bodemeister (1408 Views) TGJB 05/07/2017 05:49PM
Re: Bodemeister (1276 Views) T Severini 05/07/2017 05:54PM
Re: Bodemeister (1225 Views) Topcat 05/08/2017 08:07AM
Re: Bodemeister (1093 Views) T Severini 05/08/2017 05:41PM
Re: Bodemeister (1060 Views) Topcat 05/09/2017 09:23AM
Re: Always Dreaming (1207 Views) T Severini 05/09/2017 07:29AM
Re: Always Dreaming (1029 Views) T Severini 05/08/2017 11:46PM


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