Rocky,

We have brushed on this conversation briefly in the backyard(by the way UB woke up from a nap on Saturday saying where’s Rocky and called you...) as to the Bots involvement in pick 4’s & 5’s. If they are playing them at all their advantage is negated by having to rely on their pre race & double will pay & probables data on the first 2 legs only. They definitely play the pick 3’s and have effected their payouts. They definitely can pluck out info as to live tickets etc....

In 2016 a former poster here & a journalist obtained betting printouts & percentages from NYRA (not easily or willingly) their findings did not have them dipping into the 4’s & 5’s. As you would surmise they were predominantly vertical per their biggest edge. I’m sure with their direct access to the pools a lack of a NYRA Bets account would not prevent their involvement......

Fairmount’s complaint/theory comes from he and many of his mid west friends that cannot play it. Bordering New Jersey residents could not open NYRA accounts, not sure if that is still the case? One I know used a family members address in NY to get in. I understand the frustration of a lot players throughout the country have, they cannot participate in a pick 5 on Belmont Stakes or Travers days.

I would be hard pressed to believe that any serious daily horse players, (REMEMBER THEM) haven’t found access through some channel to participate.
I completely understand NYRA’s marketing to build their own ADW into a national presence. Unfortunately via archaic and ridiculous laws in several states many are not able to jump into this pool.

A perfect example of this is Capital OTB in upstate NY is stil bound to a harness industry agreement from the dark ages. There are certain weekday evenings where you cannot bet Thoroughbreds after 7:30 PM. Yeah you can’t make this stuff up, no Delmar late double but you can play into Batavia’s 3k pools.....